Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/07/07

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Subject: [Leica] Medium Format Digital
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 02:24:22 -0400

I think there is a human nature thing when picking between such shots to say
you want one in between.
I will say the so called unsharpened ones dong look at this mag not soft.
They seem to have an edge even.
And the sharpened ones don't have artifacts of any kind but still seem maybe
too sharp. Just a tad crispy. I just don't think Mandler and the Zeiss and
JSK Schneider people ever made a lens one third this sharp. Nor the Canon
Nikon folks. Nor the folks in Argentina should they ever make a lens.
The first one looks more humane. I can look at them without getting cuts on
my face. My cornea is still intact.

But I always root for the before and never the after. A big  mistake in
advertizing in general when they do that because I don't think I'm the only
one. We always root for the natural. Not the processed. Its in our DNA to do
so I think.


Mark William Rabiner



> From: Bob Adler <rgacpa at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 22:53:18 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Medium Format Digital
> 
> I put the ones that were sharpened by LR here:
> www.rgaphoto.com/GTs
> If you open 2 tabs
> www.rgaphoto.com/GT  (unsharpened)
> www.rgaphoto.com/GTs  (sharpened)
> and switch back and forth between the images, you can definitely see the
> difference. Personally I prefer the slightly sharpened ones. Other opinions
> very 
> much welcome!
> Bob
>  Bob Adler
> Palo Alto, CA
> http://www.rgaphoto.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Thu, July 7, 2011 9:58:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Medium Format Digital
> 
> Sounds good to  me, Bob I don't know what " standard output sharpening " in
> Lightroom involves. But it  sounds to me like one of those built in
> parameters which really do something significant and is best to try to get 
> a
> handle on if possible and try to control!
> 
> A few months ago when I upgraded to CS5 from 4 I had an output sharpening
> selected perhaps a default in the adobe camera raw filter which had not 
> been
> there before. It was a new thing.  Sharpen for screen glossy paper or matte
> paper you had to click on a number which did not look like a button to get
> at it.
> My stuff had getting extra extra crispy. Had a few secret spices which were
> not on my diet.
> And I finally figured out where it was hiding and unchecked it.
> My future pix went back to their very smooth selves.
> 
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Bob Adler <rgacpa at yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 21:35:37 -0700 (PDT)
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Medium Format Digital
>> 
>> Mark,
>> Only standard sharpening was applied by LR on output to the web. My 
>> workflow
>> for 
>> MF is that I do all raw processing in Capture 1. I do no sharpening at all
>> there. Then I bring it into CS5 and do layer adjustments; no sharpening
>> there.
>> Then I import to LR just to organize stuff and throw it onto a web page;
>> standard output sharpening done there.
>> That's it; honest Abe!
>> Bob
>>  Bob Adler
>> Palo Alto, CA
>> http://www.rgaphoto.com
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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