Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/03/19
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I totally agree with you Lluis. For me film just looks much better. It also has much more dynamic range. I always felt it is very strange to use software to make digital files look like film. Just use the original thing and your done right away. That's what I call KISS. The new Kodak Portra makes it even better. Best film ever made and the good thing is I dont have to buy a new camera to use the latest film technology. Cheers, Michiel Fokkema On 8-3-2011 17:10, Lluis Ripoll wrote: > Hi Ted and Nathan, mes amis > > Maybe I was too enthousiast saying "film is better" instead of "I like > better B&W on film". IMO there are two things that film gives better than > digital, at least for my experience. The blacks are more deepth, more > dense, > no noise in the shadows or lower light areas, the higlights are not > blocked. > Maybe I don't have enough skills on digital, but I'm much more fast editing > at PS a B&W picture from film than converting it from digital color to B&W. > > It was a while I've not used film, after 2 or 3 months I'm using Silver > Efex > Pro, yes this is fine and I can get better results and approach much better > the film, but in general I find that film give me better results according > to my preferences. > > You say that actually you think in color, and this is arriving to me too, > digital color is so nice and immediate that it becomes difficult think on > B&W or maybe do a conversion that it satisfy you better than the color > version. Probably this is too influenced by a psichological "effect", you > immediately see a color digital picture and can do also immediately the > conversion; with film this arrives after some hours or days and you have > already forgett the natural colors of the scene, than when you scann and > see, I say "oh! is beautiful!". > > I hope I have give a response to your questions, maybe wrong..., but > according to my experience and skills on digital. I don't know if the > sensor > of a M9 is better corrected for the things I've commented. I think that it > should be a special firmware or sensor to do directly B&W... I don't think > that B&W could be defined as simply "substract the color", the original > invention was different. > > This is my opinion....., my 2 cents ... > > I don't think I can write today more comments about this subject, now I'm > on > the office and I go to the Opera House in one hour. > > Thanks for your questions! > > cheers > Lluis > > > > 2011/3/8<tedgrant at shaw.ca> > >> Lluis Ripoll said: >> >>> M7, Elmarit 28mm Asph, Plus X..... Film is better!<<<< >>>>> >>>> >> Nathan Offered: >> >>>> Very nice, Lluis, especially the 2nd and last one. I don't know if film >>>>> is better, it is just different.<<<< >>>> >>> >> Hi both, :-) >> >> Lluis and Nathan a couple of questions? >> >> 1/ Why do you say "Film is better?" >> >> 2/ "Where do you think film is better?" >> >> Since I became "Hooked on digital," it has never occurred to me to ever go >> back to film..... "OF ANY KIND!" Or even think about it. And don't miss it >> for one milli-second! >> >> I shoot nothing but digital with various cameras and I still expose the >> neat things I did with film. Actually, I think in colour "digital colour >> is >> immediate, result is right there in a moment!" No need to or rarely need >> to >> bracket frame after frame as we did with film. Nor do I have to take it to >> the lab, wait for the developing a couple of hours? Days? Weeks? Depending >> which film I was using? >> >> And as I understand from Tina and others, today there is software? I think >> that's what it is? You can make digital images look like they were shot on >> film. But being me, my response is always "WHY? AND WHO CARES?" Certainly >> if >> the content is a smashing great content! After all isn't it the content >> that >> matters most and not whether the image looks like Tri-x, Kodachrome or >> whatever?Just a couple of early morning thoughts and questions. >> cheers, >> ted >> >> ================================================ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman"<photo at >> frozenlight.eu> >> To: "Leica Users Group"<lug at leica-users.org> >> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [Leica] The MACBA& El Raval >> >> >> Very nice, Lluis, especially the 2nd and last one. I don't know if film >> is >>> better, it is just different. >>> >>> Saludos, >>> Nathan >>> >>> Nathan Wajsman >>> Alicante, Spain >>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>> >>> YNWA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Lluis Ripoll wrote: >>> >>> The MACBA is the Museum of art contemporary in Barcelona >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020228w.jpg.html >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020227w.jpg.html >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020216w.jpg.html >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020210w.jpg.html >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020208w.jpg.html >>>> >>>> M7, Elmarit 28mm Asph, Plus X..... Film is better! >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome >>>> >>>> Saludos >>>> Lluis >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/ >>>> http://photo.net/photos/lluisripoll >>>> Blog: >>>> http://lluisripollphotography.wordpress.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- ------------------------------------------- Michiel Fokkema www.michielfokkema.com +31 (0) 615569576