Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/03/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Robert, Thanks for your opinion and I think the same of you, once you are used with the M's - at least for me - is not easy use other cameras. Saludos Lluis El 08/03/2011, a las 17:35, Robert Clark escribi?: > Nice work, Lluis, and interesting thoughts from Dr. Ted and Nathan. I > agree that film has a different look but the immediacy of digital is > important, too. I have an M6 and a Nikon D300. For me, it's often the > choice of which camera do I like better and want to use. The M6 always > wins in that situation. But...the D300 has good uses, too. I think > if I > made the move to an M9, I'd probably still use the M6 some but the > D300 > even less. > > On 3/8/11 11:10 AM, "Lluis Ripoll" <lluisripollquerol at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Ted and Nathan, mes amis >> >> Maybe I was too enthousiast saying "film is better" instead of "I >> like >> better B&W on film". IMO there are two things that film gives >> better than >> digital, at least for my experience. The blacks are more deepth, more >> dense, >> no noise in the shadows or lower light areas, the higlights are not >> blocked. >> Maybe I don't have enough skills on digital, but I'm much more fast >> editing >> at PS a B&W picture from film than converting it from digital color >> to >> B&W. >> >> It was a while I've not used film, after 2 or 3 months I'm using >> Silver >> Efex >> Pro, yes this is fine and I can get better results and approach much >> better >> the film, but in general I find that film give me better results >> according >> to my preferences. >> >> You say that actually you think in color, and this is arriving to >> me too, >> digital color is so nice and immediate that it becomes difficult >> think on >> B&W or maybe do a conversion that it satisfy you better than the >> color >> version. Probably this is too influenced by a psichological >> "effect", you >> immediately see a color digital picture and can do also immediately >> the >> conversion; with film this arrives after some hours or days and you >> have >> already forgett the natural colors of the scene, than when you >> scann and >> see, I say "oh! is beautiful!". >> >> I hope I have give a response to your questions, maybe wrong..., but >> according to my experience and skills on digital. I don't know if the >> sensor >> of a M9 is better corrected for the things I've commented. I think >> that it >> should be a special firmware or sensor to do directly B&W... I >> don't think >> that B&W could be defined as simply "substract the color", the >> original >> invention was different. >> >> This is my opinion....., my 2 cents ... >> >> I don't think I can write today more comments about this subject, >> now I'm >> on >> the office and I go to the Opera House in one hour. >> >> Thanks for your questions! >> >> cheers >> Lluis >> >> >> >> 2011/3/8 <tedgrant at shaw.ca> >> >>> Lluis Ripoll said: >>> >>>> M7, Elmarit 28mm Asph, Plus X..... Film is better! <<<< >>>>>> >>>>> >>> Nathan Offered: >>> >>>>> Very nice, Lluis, especially the 2nd and last one. I don't know if >>>> film >>>>>> is better, it is just different.<<<< >>>>> >>>> >>> Hi both, :-) >>> >>> Lluis and Nathan a couple of questions? >>> >>> 1/ Why do you say "Film is better?" >>> >>> 2/ "Where do you think film is better?" >>> >>> Since I became "Hooked on digital," it has never occurred to me to >>> ever >>> go >>> back to film..... "OF ANY KIND!" Or even think about it. And don't >>> miss >>> it >>> for one milli-second! >>> >>> I shoot nothing but digital with various cameras and I still >>> expose the >>> neat things I did with film. Actually, I think in colour "digital >>> colour is >>> immediate, result is right there in a moment!" No need to or rarely >>> need to >>> bracket frame after frame as we did with film. Nor do I have to >>> take it >>> to >>> the lab, wait for the developing a couple of hours? Days? Weeks? >>> Depending >>> which film I was using? >>> >>> And as I understand from Tina and others, today there is software? I >>> think >>> that's what it is? You can make digital images look like they were >>> shot >>> on >>> film. But being me, my response is always "WHY? AND WHO CARES?" >>> Certainly if >>> the content is a smashing great content! After all isn't it the >>> content >>> that >>> matters most and not whether the image looks like Tri-x, >>> Kodachrome or >>> whatever?Just a couple of early morning thoughts and questions. >>> cheers, >>> ted >>> >>> ================================================ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" >>> <photo at frozenlight.eu> >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The MACBA & El Raval >>> >>> >>> Very nice, Lluis, especially the 2nd and last one. I don't know if >>> film is >>>> better, it is just different. >>>> >>>> Saludos, >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>> Alicante, Spain >>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>>> >>>> YNWA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Lluis Ripoll wrote: >>>> >>>> The MACBA is the Museum of art contemporary in Barcelona >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020228w.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020227w.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020216w.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020210w.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020208w.jpg.html >>>>> >>>>> M7, Elmarit 28mm Asph, Plus X..... Film is better! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome >>>>> >>>>> Saludos >>>>> Lluis >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/ >>>>> http://photo.net/photos/lluisripoll >>>>> Blog: >>>>> http://lluisripollphotography.wordpress.com/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information