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Subject: [Leica] 80 Summilux R (was 'Am I being stupid? (R content)')
From: benedenia at gmail.com (Marty Deveney)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:02:08 +1030
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The lens I mean is here:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/images1/85mm-f14-ais/D3S_3631-main-600.jpg

The AF-D version is considerably worse in performance, mainly because
of aberrations introduced by internal focusing.  The new AF-S G lens
is much better in performance but can't be used on a film Nikon older
than the F100.

If you have an R camera the 80 Summilux is great.

Marty


On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
wrote:
> I shot with my 85 f2 ai today on my D700.
> It was like an old friend that's the best thing about my all of a sudden
> going full frame. It looks just like a 50mm 1.4 but with an added quarter
> inch you cant see. They think you're getting everything but you're getting
> just them.
> I also have a 1.8 AF but its twice the size and weight for what? A 
> billionth
> of an f stop and AF?
> I don't need no stinking AF.
> I am AF.
> And the 1.4 is ast least twice the size of the 1.8 for what?
> 77mm filters that's nuts!
>
> I was about to say I'd take the Leica 1.4 anyday and get a Leitax for it 
> but
> then I saw a picture of the nikon right here
> http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/images1/85mm-f14/85-14-KEN_7461-950.jpg
> Click on it to make bigger.
> It may be more gorgeous then the Summilux.
> So I'm less convinced.
> The smart money is the Leica glass in the inside better. And design.
>
>
> --------------------
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> mark at rabinergroup.com
> Cars: ? http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb
>
>
>
>
>> From: Gene duprey <grduprey at mchsi.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 17:03:29 -0600 (CST)
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] 80 Summilux R (was 'Am I being stupid? (R content)')
>>
>> Marty,
>
> The Nikon 85/1.4 is a nice lens, and the F3 is also a very good body.
>> However I sold the 85 years ago and the F3 just sits and collects dust, 
>> well I
>> do keep it dusted off and exercise the shutter occasionally. ?I prefer 
>> the R8
>> to it any day, now if I can just find a really nice 80/1.4R lens for a
>> reasonable price. ?;-)
>
> Cheers
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marty
>> Deveney" <benedenia at gmail.com>
> To: "Leica Users Group"
>> <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 6, 2010 6:13:12 PM GMT -06:00
>> US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [Leica] 80 Summilux R (was 'Am I being stupid?
>> (R content)')
>
> The 90 APO is very impressive, but at portrait distances it is
>> less
> impressive than further away - the absence of a floating element
> starts
>> to show and there is noticeable curvature of field. ?This was
> the motivation
>> for the design used in the 75 Summicron, which focuses
> to 0.75 m and gets you
>> a tighter crop, and is the M lens I'd recommend
> if you'd like a very modern
>> rendering lens for portraits.
>
> The 80 R-Summilux is a very nice older design,
>> but for less money you
> can get a Nikkor 85/1.4 and an F3 and the photos will
>> be
> indistiguishable, except possibly unless you have a bunch of other
> Leica R
>> glass and shoot in colour and are not willing to manipulate to
> match the
>> colours. It would also mean that you may have to carry a
> bunch of extra gear
>> (which is also heavy
>> gear).
>
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/freakscene/Rachel/File0846.jpg.html
>
>
>> I kept the Nikkor but returned the test sample 80 Summilux because I
> like the
>> F3 better than any of the R cameras and I already have a
> bunch of other Nikon
>> SLR lenses.
>
> Marty
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Mark Rabiner
>> <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> Big difference though between an old Leitz
>> Canada Summicron 90 for the R
>> system and a brand new razor sharp cutting
>> edge
>> LEICA APO-SUMMICRON-R 90 mm f/2 ASPH whose specs outdo the 100 macro
>> which
>> was spec king for a few decades. We should be specific as to what we
>> are
>> talking about.
>> I'd be shooting with it.
>> And I am now as I have it
>> for the M and I think is the same lens expect it
>> has an M on it with an M
>> mount.
>> There is nothing "slow" about an 90mm f2 lens. Especially when
>> shooting
>> digitally.
>> Leica seems to me which is why I like it to be a
>> company which gets smarter
>> as it goes along. When it comes out with a new
>> lens its better than what
>> comes before. Usually by a long shot. As
>> everything they've learned about
>> optics during that time gets put into that
>> lens. The old classic designs are
>> great as long as I get my basics covered
>> first. And my basics are the
>> current offerings from Leica. Their most recent
>> designs. And I don't mind
>> getting their ears. Tip of their nose even.
>> Glasses. More than just their
>> eyelashes.
>>
>>
>> --------------------
>> Mark
>> William Rabiner
>> Photography
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>
>> mark at rabinergroup.com
>> Cars: ? http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From:
>> Tim Gray <tgray at 125px.com>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group
>> <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:09:00 -0400
>>> To: Leica
>> Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: [Leica] 80 Summilux R (was 'Am I
>> being stupid? (R content)')
>>>
>>> In my talk of Leica R stuff, I completely
>> forgot about the 80 Summilux. ?Any
>>> comments on this lens compared to the 90
>> Summicron? ?What's a good price for
>>> the 80?
>>>
>>>
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In reply to: Message from grduprey at mchsi.com (grduprey at mchsi.com) ([Leica] 80 Summilux R (was 'Am I being stupid? (R content)'))
Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] 80 Summilux R (was 'Am I being stupid? (R content)'))