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Subject: [Leica] Wow! 200mm f/2G ED-IF AF-S VR Nikkor - Oly 250mm f/2
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:02:30 -0400

Its a "rule" of photography that once you compensate for magnification and
the picture area is the same size "head and shoulders say" than DOF Is the
same at the same f stop with any focal length lens.
But as in many basic photo rules as Rei shows us it  just does not work out
quite that way.

--------------------
Mark William Rabiner
Photography
mark at rabinergroup.com


> From: Rei Shinozuka <shino at panix.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:01:12 -0400
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Wow! 200mm f/2G ED-IF AF-S VR Nikkor - Oly 250mm f/2
> 
>   yes and no.  i you focus the noctilux at 5 feet, you get a DOF (under
> a 0.03mm COC) of just over 2 inches total.
> 
> if you focus a 200/f2 at 5 feet, your DOF (under the same assumptions as
> above) about 1/4 inch total.
> 
> however, to capture the same target area as the noctilux at 5 feet, you
> would need to shoot the 200mm from about 20 feet away.  At that
> distance, DOF is a little over 4 inches.
> 
> if the film/sensor format is fixed, and the area you wish to photograph
> is predetermined (e.g., a head and shoulders portrait) and you will
> compensate for magnification of differing focal lengths by changing
> distance to the subject, then f stop becomes the primary determinant of
> depth of field.  hence the 50mm summicron wide open has virtually the
> same DOF at 5 feet as the 200mm f2 wide open at 20 feet.  the 21 lux at
> 6.3 feet has about the same DOF as the 75 lux at 22.5 feet (2.3-2.4 feet
> DOF).
> 
> -rei
> 
> 
> On 09/18/2010 01:51 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>> 250mm f/2 That's more Noctiluxlike like than a Noctilux!
>> 
>> --------------------
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photography
>> mark at rabinergroup.com
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Alan Magayne-Roshak<amr3 at uwm.edu>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 00:01:26 -0500 (CDT)
>>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Wow! 200mm f/2G ED-IF AF-S VR Nikkor - Oly 250mm f/2
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 Mark Rabiner<mark at rabinergroup.com>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Would 200mm f2 but as thin a slice as a 50 f1 DOF wise?
>>> Seems like it would.
>>> ============================================================================
>>> ==
>>> =========
>>> I have an Olympus 250mm f/2 that should have even thinner DoF than that
>>> Nikon
>>> lens.
>>> 
>>> On a 5D MkII with adapter:
>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Alan+Magayne-Roshak/LensFun/Brian250_f2_AM
>>> R.
>>> jpg.html>
>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Alan+Magayne-Roshak/LensFun/Brian250_f2_AM
>>> R_
>>> Crop.jpg.html>
>>> 
>>> I'd use it more if it wasn't such a monster to carry.
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> Alan Magayne-Roshak, Senior Photographer
>>> UPAA POY 1978
>>> University Information Technology Services
>>> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
>>> amr3 at uwm.edu
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Alan+Magayne-Roshak/
>>> 
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