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Subject: [Leica] M8 v M9--better printers needed
From: reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us (Brian Reid)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:17:52 -0700
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A few weeks ago I was sitting in my mother's living room at her summer house 
in Maine, looking at the West wall, which is covered with family pictures. 
Mostly group pictures, mostly 11x14 and 16x20. The oldest is from 1934 and 
the newest is from 2009. I spent a lot of time looking at them, studying 
them, remembering where each of them came from, thinking about the event at 
which that picture was taken.

I printed about half of those pictures. The others were either printed by 
commercial photographers or by my mother, who is a skilled printer and who 
taught me most of what I know about darkroom printing.

The prints before 1970 are all black-and-white. Starting in 1970 there are 
some of each, and everything since 1990 is color.

The 3 most recent prints are all inkjet; all of the others are from a 
darkroom. The older prints are mostly on Agfa Indiatone Brilliant; the B&W 
prints from the 1960s to the 1990s are all on Kodak Polycontrast G. The 
inkjet prints are all on Hahnem?hle Photo Rag and Museo Silver Rag with 
Epson pigment inks. The darkroom color prints that I made are all on 
E-surface Ektacolor and Endura papers; I don't know what the pro labs used.

My feeling after studying these prints for a long time was that the inkjet 
prints are the best of the lot; they have a warmth and life to them that is 
better than any of the silver prints. I don't think that this is because of 
deterioration of the older prints -- these have been kept out of the sun, 
and there are a number of extra prints kept in a drawer to which I made spot 
comparisons.

Part of it is that Photoshop gives me more nuanced control printing than I 
ever had in the darkroom. And part of it is that the pigment-on-baryta 
imaging is just a wonderful way of making this kind of images.
It might be that if I took pictures of mountains or ducks or buildings or 
national forests, that inkjet papers wouldn't be as good. But I take 
pictures of people, and I think that modern inkjet papers with modern inkjet 
printers are the best imaging system ever sold commercially.



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