Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/08/06

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Subject: [Leica] 50/1.1 Nokton
From: Frank.Dernie at (Frank Dernie)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:43:06 +0100
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Spot on Mark. Hand held is Ok for small prints. Frank

On 6 Aug 2009, at 19:28, Mark Rabiner <mark at> wrote:

> Other than some perhaps obvious Bokeh effect differences on very  
> fast lens
> the difference between a 5000 dollar Leica lens and a 500 Cosina,  
> Canon or
> Nikon is not going to so much be seen in a normal sized jpeg shot  
> hand held
> at 400 iso that we are looking at on our screen.
> But will be seen in a tripod low iso shot printed 11x17 or larger.
> If we never ever extend our technique to tripods and large fine  
> prints why
> invest in exotic glasses, hyper close tolerances and obsessive quality
> control from a small company in central Germany.?
> Me I do go through phases from time to time where I use tripods with  
> the
> lowest  ISO's and make large prints from the results so I are  
> looking at
> ultra fine subtleties on the print maybe with a loupe and glad I  
> didn't save
> money on glass or cut corners on technique.
> Although its been more often its the opposite. I'm looking at my new  
> large
> print wishing I'd used better glass than I used. Wishing I'd used  
> slower
> film, a tripod and better developers.
> When I got into Leica I got to see such very demanding results from  
> 35mm
> film it was right as the new ASPH lenses were coming out in the mid  
> 90s.
> I was standardized for 11x14 darkroom printing for years then found  
> myself
> printing a few boxes of 30x40's on a few occasions,
> and dozens of 20x24's on a more regular basis..
> And learning that the hand held rule is baloney:
> that 60mm lens should get a 60th of a second.
> 250th is nicer. And on a tripod.
> 250th on a tripod sound like overkill to you?
> Try outputting very large prints on any kind of regular basis.
> Mark William Rabiner
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