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Subject: [Leica] Fw: DOF Using the Elmarit-R 60/2.8 in Macro Range
From: jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:37:03 -0500
References: <C69CF058.52565%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Hi Mark,

Thanks for your comments.  Yes, for objects that are not very deep, the 
extra light from a dedicated flash would be a great help.  However, for 
deep-throated flowers, photographed out of doors, the only solution that I 
can see is to stop down as far as possible and back off to around 20 inches, 
take the photo and crop the image. With this lens, there is sufficient 
detail that cropping should not be a problem.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Fw: DOF Using the Elmarit-R 60/2.8 in Macro Range


>>
>> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:48 PM
>> Subject: DOF Using the Elmarit-R 60/2.8 in Macro Range
>>
>>
>> I realize the several LUGGERS have and may still use the Elmarit-R 60/2.8
>> Macro. This lens is new to me, and the DOF in the macro range (below 20
>> inches) was a surprise to me, though, if I had really comtemplated the 
>> issue,
>> I should have expected it.  In short, the DOF at near distances is very
>> limited.
>>
>> To evalulate what I was dealing with, I started by using some very wild
>> interpolation of the distance and DOF scales on the lens itself, plotted 
>> the
>> data, faired out the obvious errors, and arrived at a table of values.  I 
>> then
>> set up a quick experiment with the camera and lens, a tripod, yardstick, 
>> and
>> colored pins.  The photos show me that the table is fairly accurate.
>>
>> I am submitting the table for comments and for the enlightenment of 
>> anyone
>> else currently using this lens.
>>
>>         DOF TABLE
>> (all dimensions in inches)
>>
>> Distance    f/22    f/16    f/11
>>
>>     12        0.60    0.41    0.30
>>     14        0.85    0.59    0.40
>>     16        1.32    0.94    0.60
>>     18        2.20    1.52    1.00
>>     20        3.25    2.35    1.60
>>
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>
>
> This is why flash in the macro area gets needed and used by people who
> before their interest in macro would never dream of it.
> As not only do you have NOTHING in focuse stopped down a couple with macro
> but your hand held shutter speed rule in macro also goes out the window.
> Shooting a 60th of a second with a 60 macro gives you nothing.
> And 125th still leaves you fuzzy.
>
> A flash gives you phantasmagorical in effect shutter speeds and you get to
> stop down to 11 or 16 and get a thicker sliver.
> Both very much needed.
> Put it on a TTL cord and go to down.
>
>
> Mark William Rabiner
>
>
>
>
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