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Subject: [Leica] Viet nam 1968! :-)
From: imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:58:22 -0500
References: <C6693B69.1DD5E%bd@bdcolenphoto.com>

The last words my dad said to me, with tears, "I'm sorry."
I replied, with tears, "there's nothing to be sorry about."
He said, "yes there is." But wouldn't explain.
(apparently just wanted to apologize)
Never figured out what that may have been about.

Ted sure stimulated the memories;
my brain's filing cabinets all opened up;
16 and 8 mm film cans, 35 and 120 contact sheets,
and yellowing tear sheets
all laying around the mind's interpretation of history.

Just looked at my granddads Certificate of Naturalization
a century old

Regards,
George Lottermoser
george at imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com/blog
http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist

On Jun 25, 2009, at 1:34 PM, B. D. Colen wrote:

> THOSE were the times that tried men's souls. ;-)
>
>
> On 6/25/09 2:31 PM, "George Lottermoser" <imagist3 at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> well it would still have legs
>> however with a lot less first hand testimony.
>> I believe that we (you, me and others like us)
>> do have stories to tell. However, we're starting to drop
>> now as well ;~)
>>
>> my dad remained left of center with strong union affiliation
>> his dad considered himself a democratic socialist
>>
>> however, both generations held these socialist views
>> firmly intertwined with strong U.S. patriotism
>> (and a strange blend of liberal and conservative)
>> which, when my anti-war work became known,
>> shook our family to its core for several years.
>>
>> Oddly enough my dad was investigated by the FBI
>> during the 50's simply because his dad came from Russia.
>>
>> My dad couldn't come to terms with what I did in the sixties
>> till well into the 70's. He could not imagine that his punk son
>> and his commie friends could have "it" correct and the government,
>> which he fought for in the "good" war, could have "it" wrong.
>> He eventually did give me credit for thinking independently
>> and felt remorse for how his attitudes affected our relationship.
>>
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
>> george at imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2009, at 1:13 PM, B. D. Colen wrote:
>>
>>> George! Your grandfather and my great grandfather may have been on
>>> the same
>>> boat! :-) In fact...when I was in college in the mid-late 60s I had
>>> what I
>>> thought was a great idea for a book. It was going to be called "We
>>> Are Our
>>> Grandfathers' Children," and it was going to be an oral history
>>> focusing on
>>> the political connections between Jewish anti-war, SDS, campus
>>> radicals and
>>> their grandfathers - and mothers - many of whom were draft-avoiders
>>> from
>>> Czarist Russia and other parts of Eastern Europe, whose politics
>>> were way to
>>> the left of center. The parents of the kids, on the other hand,
>>> were very
>>> often relatively conservative, staid suburbanites. Unfortunately I
>>> decided
>>> that no one would publish a book by someone just out of college -
>>> this was
>>> quite a while ago when there were still standards - and in the
>>> intervening
>>> years all the grandfathers have died.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/25/09 1:51 PM, "George Lottermoser" <imagist3 at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting Henning.
>>>>
>>>> My paternal grandfather came to the U.S
>>>>   in the early 1900's
>>>> to avoid conscription into the Russian Army .
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> George Lottermoser
>>>> george at imagist.com
>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 25, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Henning Wulff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My dad had come to Canada to get away from a Europe that didn't
>>>>> seem to want to avoid war, and I didn't want to go to a country
>>>>> that seemed to want to wage war in all the corners of the Earth.
>>>>
>>>>
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