Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/06/24

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Subject: [Leica] IMG: American Styling
From: glehrer at san.rr.com (Jerry Lehrer)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:56:43 -0700
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Jim,

No, the disc brakes offered by Chrysler were of the "flywheel-clutch 
disc-pressure plate" type.
not of the "pinch caliper" type like current brakes.

Jerry


Henning Wulff wrote:
> At 11:11 AM -0400 6/24/09, Jim Shulman wrote:
>> At the same time that that the US was covering all sorts of design 
>> excess,
>> it was also creating
>>
>> 1. Disk brakes (available on the '51 Chrysler
>> 2. Fuel injection (available from GM on various Chevrolet models from 
>> the
>> mid-50s onward; Chrysler briefly introduced an electronically 
>> governed fuel
>> injection system in 1957)
>> 3. Front wheel drive (introduced in 1929 in the L-29 Cord, and 
>> revived in
>> the mid-30s Cord sedans. GM and Packard also build experimental front 
>> drive
>> cars in that era.  Unfortunately, with the technology of the time front
>> drive required excessive maintenance.)  US production cars from the 
>> 1960s
>> included front drive (1966 Olds Toronado and 1967 Cadillac Eldorado), 
>> well
>> before the first front-drive compact cars appeared in the US.
>> 4. Torsion bars (in all Chrysler Corp. cars in 1957 and thereafter.)
>
>
> These were not really US engineering innovations; at best it was a 
> co-development. Initial development of all of these systems occurred 
> in Europe and US manufacturers in some instances furthered their 
> commercial development.
>
> The Olds Toronado was a response to the success some European 
> manufacturers were having  with front wheel drive; not a lot of Minis 
> showed up in the US, but they sure were a revelation in the European 
> marketplace. Citroen had a continuous string of successes with front 
> wheel drive from the time of the first Traction Avant in the early 
> thirties. The Cord and contemporaneous fwd manufacturers in Europe 
> were not successful.
>
>
>> We could go on with US engineering innovations, including the Trinitron
>> (patented by RCA in 1951).
>>
>
> Electronics was a whole other matter. Here the US definitely led, and 
> I can't think of any Trinitron models with fins and five foot overhangs.
>
>
>
>> What the rest of the world did VERY well was figure out how to 
>> commercialize
>> US engineering innovations, making them less expensive and more 
>> reliable.
>> In many cases, such as front drive and the Trinitron, there were interim
>> leaps forward in technology between the innovation and mass
>> commercialization.
>>
>> Jim Shulman
>> Wynnewood, PA
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lug-bounces+jshul=comcast.net at leica-users.org
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshul=comcast.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of 
>> George
>> Lottermoser
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:55 AM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: American Styling
>>
>> While the rest of the world engineered:
>> disk brakes
>> fuel injection
>> front-wheel drive
>> torsion bars
>> etc, etc
>>
>> The US designed:
>> fins
>> hood ornaments
>> grills
>> ridiculous names
>> and
>> hyperbolic advertising
>>
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
>> george at imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2009, at 7:25 PM, Jim Shulman wrote:
>>
>>>  There are many things that helped to kill the US auto industry,
>>>  well above
>>>  the styling excess of 50s and 60s cars.
>>
>>
>> _



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