Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/01/13

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Subject: [Leica] A REAL LEICA OR A COUNTERFIT?
From: pdzwig at summaventures.com (Peter Dzwig)
Date: Tue Jan 13 11:04:00 2009
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A pleasure Len. Steve's site is fascinating and always worth a peak at to 
see if
there is something new or updated. He does a brilliant job...hope you get to 
see
this STeve.

Peter Dzwig

Leonard Taupier wrote:
> Now this is very interesting. I didn't know Steve had pages like this on
> the his site.
> 
> This is where it becomes very difficult to spot a fake. The camera has
> all the details it's a real Leica II. It most likely is. If original,
> the engraving and insignia can transform a common $400 Leica II into a
> collectible worth thousands of dollars.
> 
> The k version Leica IIIc is more common but valuable and is a target for
> counterfeiters. Here a $300 IIIc can become a $5000 collectible if done
> right.
> 
> Thanks for the link, Peter.
> Len
> 
> 
> On Jan 13, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Peter Dzwig wrote:
> 
>> For an interesting discussion on Nazi engravings and a mystery Leica see:
>>
>> http://www.cameraquest.com/kriegsma.htm
>>
>> I wonder if Steve ever found anything more. Steve?
>>
>> ...and for a low temperature IIIc that may have been a Luftwaffe
>> camera see:
>>
>> http://www.cameraquest.com/leica_iiic_k_gray.htm
>>
>> Peter Dzwig
>>
>> Bob W wrote:
>>> Another little detail that he missed - and it's easily overlooked -
>>> is that
>>> the real Leica has the word 'Leica' written on top, whereas the fake
>>> has the
>>> word 'Zorki'.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: lug-bounces+leica=web-options.com@leica-users.org
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+leica=web-options.com@leica-users.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Leonard Taupier
>>>> Sent: 13 January 2009 01:31
>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] A REAL LEICA OR A COUNTERFIT?
>>>>
>>>> I hope he adds a little more information to make his site more
>>>> complete. One point of clarification is where the Elmar
>>>> infinity stop
>>>> ends. Early Leica Elmars and Hektors had the infinity stop at the 11
>>>> o'clock position where he says only the copy is.
>>>>
>>>> He also omits the original viewfinder frame shape which is stepped
>>>> where the screw is. The later Leica II was changed to what he shows
>>>> as correct only after Leica made the Leica III.
>>>>
>>>> I would have also mentioned that the Leica II does not have a slow
>>>> shutter speed dial.
>>>>
>>>> Everything else he mentions is pretty good.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the link.
>>>> Len
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 12, 2009, at 7:35 PM, A. Lal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rick Oleson, who is a member of the IDCC, has a web page with
>>>>> useful info on this topic.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://rick_oleson.tripod.com/index-213.html
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ===========================================================
>> Dr Peter Dzwig               
>>
>>
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Dr Peter Dzwig                          



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