Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/10/19
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Oct 19, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: > Steve, I know that R users felt disappointed at Photokina. I think > that it > was a case of finite resources and Dr Kaufmann committed to bring > the S > system to market. Very much high end, I agree, but then this is > Leica. Leica > has committed to the R10, "aber die R10 kommt" :-) As to whether a > new R > system will be affordable, do you expect to see something competing > with say > Nikon or Canon or a premium quality Leica system for the discerning? > My view > is that trying compete directly would be unwise and unsuccessful. In > any > event, that is pure speculation on my part and I won't comment > further. This > all arose from my partial quote, which I thought did give fans of a > new R > system some encouragement. Back to posting pictures. My last two sunk > without trace! no, many of us anticipated R developments, and we are left with some disappointment, though personally I am not surprised by the lack of R.... I think the surprise is the new system S...aimed at a whole new demographic, not M, not R.... but there is way too much room for speculation, so I will say no more... Steve > > > > Cheers > Geoff > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On > Behalf Of > Steve Barbour > Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 03:39 > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: [Leica] was software licensing, now Leica S R strategy > > > On Oct 18, 2008, at 8:48 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: > >> Steve, As to your fear of Leica going out of business, I sure hope >> that you are wrong! I think that Dr Kaufmann is pretty serious about >> his commitment to Leica. > > I don't doubt either his seriousness or his sincerity Geoff, I > question his > strategy, and see that it has nothing to do with me and my real needs. > I have enough equipment to take world class photos for the rest of my > life, IF my creativity is up to the task. I am the limiting factor, > not my equipment... > > But regarding equipment, as stated, I am sad that the strategy that > Leica is > following will have nothing to do with me. While it may work, it is > very > risky, especially in this tough international economic climate, and > it may > well be a rocky road to disaster for the company. > > I suspect that the S system, and quite possibly the R system too, > will be > too rich for me, perhaps for many of us... > > so I find it prohibitive, even nonsensical, and the world financial > realities won't help it... > > Steve > > > > > >> I don't expect >> that they plan to rely on the S system as their bread and butter >> though. >> Meanwhile, I'll take all of the quality I can get. > > > > > > >> >> >> >> Cheers >> Geoff >> Aber Masse kann Klasse nicht ersetzen....Aber die R10 kommt. >> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Subject: Re: [Leica] software licensing question >> >> >> On Oct 18, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Robert Meier wrote: >> >>> Quantity can't replace quality. >> >> >> nice thought, but it can and it will if it becomes so unaffordable >> that it >> will go out of business... >> >> >> Steve >> >> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Hopkinson" >>> <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au >>>> >>> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:46 PM >>> Subject: RE: [Leica] software licensing question >>> >>> >>>> Hmm, that's a pretty negative take on it! There is a whole speech >>>> in >>>> the middle dealing with the new S system. There are also several >>>> superb new M lenses. I thought that Leica had a very good Photokina >>>> myself. I was just taken with the German alliteration of Masse- >>>> Klasse >>>> especially. I read the translation of the speech from the original >>>> German with Google translate, since my smattering of high school >>>> German is definitely not up to the task >>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Geoff >>>> Aber Masse kann Klasse nicht ersetzen....Aber die R10 kommt. >>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org >>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Steve Barbour >>>> Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 09:06 >>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] software licensing question >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Douglas Sharp wrote: >>>> >>>>> Steve, >>>>> >>>>> Literally - high-volume production is no alternative to high-class >>>>> production - The R10 is on its way >>>> >>>> >>>> nothing like making the apology before the camera... >>>> >>>> >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Douglas >>>>> >>>>> Steve Barbour wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 18, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Keep on upgrading, I really hope that you mean CS3 and CS4! I >>>>>>> have my preorder in for CS4. >>>>>>> Check the upgrade options, often upgrades from earlier cost no >>>>>>> more than from the current(at least for a period). Or you can >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> the current suite with a free upgrade to the latest when it hits >>>>>>> the streets. >>>>>>> I have a melange of suites and upgrades and components here. My >>>>>>> PS >>>>>>> CS3 >>>>>>> baulked at upgrading the PS part of my CS2 suite but was happy >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> accept the serial number of my earlier stand alone CS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By the way, I initially thought of CS4 as primarily a means of >>>>>>> moving to the latest Raw support. However when you dive in it >>>>>>> looks to have a lot of very good improvements. >>>>>> >>>>>> please tell us a little about these if you would Geoff... >>>>>> >>>>>> also what does the German phrase below mean, why in German? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>> Aber Masse kann Klasse nicht ersetzen....Aber die R10 kommt. >>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e >>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org >>>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of lug >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 01:38 >>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] software licensing question >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aah, the fine print. Thanks Brian! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> leo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Brian Reid wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No. That is in violation of the Terms and Conditions in the >>>>>>>> upgrade contract. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> so if i buy an upgrade for photoshop 4, can i sell my upgrade >>>>>>>>> version of photoshop 3 to someone who wants to upgrade from >>>>>>>>> photoshop 2? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>> information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>> information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information