Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/03/12

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Subject: [Leica] Not Buying M8
From: kididdoc at (Steve Barbour)
Date: Wed Mar 12 09:59:02 2008
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On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Chris Saganich wrote:

> Well again, vision doesn't cease with the shutter.  The extension of  
> vision into the darkroom or the computer is often necessary.  Those  
> who are solidly grounded in the conceptual framework of extension of  
> vision photography or the painterly concepts of photography have  
> little trouble with the digital world.  Like solarization or IR film  
> these are obvious painterly concepts, removing reality from images,  
> bringing attention to the handwork rather then the subject.  Except  
> in the digital world this commingling of concepts becomes so subtle  
> that reality can be purged or invented without anyone seeing it.  It  
> is like there is violence being committed but no one notices or  
> cares, the violence is invisible, and this is why the digital world  
> seems sinister to me.

I think this was always true...though it's made easier now...not  
altogether new or different...

In my experience, my own photography for my book, comprising almost  
all film images, I found the honest documentation of children in the  
hospital a conscious, ongoing struggle every step of the way.

Accurate and honest depiction of the child's reality was the goal, but  
necessarily included getting people to look...


"I never wanted to be famous"

>  Perhaps in academics there is a language for this but I haven't  
> come across it.  There is a new animal in the forest and I'm trying  
> to understand what it eats.
> At 07:49 AM 3/12/2008, you wrote:
>> A great many of the worlds greatest photographic images have come  
>> from very
>> difficult negatives.
>> Difficult as in way over or under exposed;
>> Not in focus or otherwise soft.
>> Poorly composed.
>> A decent image was made from them with someone in the darkroom who  
>> knew what
>> they were doing.
>> Now its a bit easier to do those things.
>> And by a lot more people.
>> So what?
>> A lot more people have Photoshop and are good at it than had  
>> darkrooms and
>> were good at it.
>> This offends the small proud darkroom club.
>> Those of us who were able to swing darkrooms.
>> I for one am very glad that photography has been made more  
>> democratic.
>> If that's the word.
>> More for everybody.
>> Not just those who could swing darkrooms.
>> Mark William Rabiner
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