Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/01/13
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Robert, Lots of people have won arguments with me in just that fashion. They tell me to get stuffed or worse. At that point I do not reply, and so they believe that they have won. Jerry Robert Meier wrote: > Ted, > > You might have said something like, 'after many years of shooting in > these situations I am convinved that the people I'm photographing > forget I'm there and are not affected by my presence. But I am a > participant in these situations and am not an objective observer. > Perhaps, consciously or unconciously, their behavior is affected -- > how can I possibly know? I cannot go into their minds.' > > Instead, insisting that your years of experience must dominate and > that your adversaries must accept what you say, therefore, as the sole > truth, or get stuffed, is not the way to win an argument. > > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Grant" <tedgrant@shaw.ca> > To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:42 AM > Subject: RE: [Leica] When in doubt ask photographer > > >> Tarek Charara offered quite unmistakenly! >> Subject: Re: [Leica] When in doubt ask photographer >> >> >> >>>> Ted,I think we are thinking this the other way around: it's not >>>> about the >> photographer, it's about wether the subject is concentrated or not on >> what >> he's doing. Believing the subject could "forget" that the >> photographer is in >> the room or around him taking pictures, is just wrong.<<< >> >> Excuse me? >> >> I don't know what the hell is wrong with some of you people when you are >> dealing with a photojournalist with over half century experience of >> working >> in the fashion we're discussing. Then have the audacity to tell me I'm >> WRONG!! :-( Get stuffed! >> >> I have nothing to gain by explaining to you exactly what these >> experiences >> are, but you people are the ones who are wrong! Damn it if I sound >> angry I >> bloody well am! >> >> When I explain to you of daily experience with published books to >> back it up >> not to mention the assignments, do not tell me I'm wrong! >> >>>>> The photographer can be ignored, but that doesn't mean that the >>>>> subject's >> unconscious mind isn't aware of his presence and/or that the >> photographer >> isn't altering the scene by his presence.<<< >> >> Look if you walk into a room and have 2 minutes to get some quick hit >> and >> miss snap you maybe right. >> >> But what appears to be happening here is, you are not listening nor >> do you >> understand the difference between a 2 minute hit and run compared to >> a 5 day >> or 5 weeks day after day shooting in the environment of the subject or >> subjects you're documenting. >> >> Your lack of understanding that it's possible to be there and not have >> absolutely any influence on the subject or subjects is in direct >> ratio to >> your inexperience! Certainly compared to a photojournalist of some >> merit in >> this field regardless of the subject and time. >> >> Thank you all for listening, but for crying out loud get with the >> program >> and listen to experience! >> >> Have a nice day! >> >> ted >> >> >> >> >> _