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Subject: [Leica] Resident WAS Belgium (WAS: New topic - what makes "it"newsworthy?)
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Sat Jan 12 19:02:18 2008
References: <3cad89990801121734o28be4ebfra30c7c866dece975@mail.gmail.com> <C3AEE2BB.26761%bd@bdcolenphoto.com>

Good for you - dont get it.
Cheers
Jayanand

On Jan 13, 2008 8:03 AM, B. D. Colen <bd@bdcolenphoto.com> wrote:

> What am I missing here - As Nathan explains it, the law applies to Danes
> marrying non-residents under the age of 24. If someone wants to bring in a
> non-resident over 24, no problem. How is that intolerant of other cultures
> and aimed at providing cheap labor without attendant social costs? It may
> be
> anti-forced marriage, which I suppose some might find "intolerant," if
> they
> favor forced marriage. But other than that? I don't get it.
>
>
> On 1/12/08 8:34 PM, "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jayanand@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Nathan,
> > Sounds like nonsense to me. Looks to me Danes want the cheap labour
> without
> > the attendant social costs, and are intolerant of other cultures.
> > Cheers
> > Jayanand
> >
> > On Jan 12, 2008 9:43 PM, Nathan Wajsman <nathan@nathanfoto.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Just to clarify: in order to combat forced marriages which were/are
> >> prevalent among certain ethnic groups, Denmark has indeed instituted
> >> a 24-year rule. If a Danish citizen wants to marry a non-resident who
> >> is under 24 and wants to bring him/her to Denmark, a test is applied
> >> to determine whether the couple, jointly, have a stronger connection
> >> to Denmark or to the other country. If the couple has a stronger
> >> connection to the other country, then the foreign spouse will not get
> >> a residence permit until s/he is 24. If both parties already have
> >> legal residence in Denmark, the rule does not apply.
> >>
> >> The law is applied equally regardless of nationality. A couple of
> >> years ago the son of a government minister who had been studying in
> >> the US for several years was unable to bring his American wife into
> >> the country because she had no prior connection with Denmark, and he
> >> had lived in the US for several years, and so they were judged to
> >> have a stronger connection with the US than with Denmark.
> >>
> >> It is hard to say what is reactionary and what is not. The whole
> >> issue of how to deal with especially Muslim immigrants has been a
> >> deep dilemma for the Danish left for several years; on one hand, they
> >> want to be progressive, multicultural and liberal with respect to
> >> immigrants' rights, but on the other hand they find themselves
> >> unwittingly supporting truly reactionary practices such as forced
> >> marriages, the burka, oppression of women etc. In the most recent
> >> election in November the most extreme left-wing party had a female
> >> candidate who wore the hijab and supported sharia law, including the
> >> death penalty (obviously, when speaking to non-Muslims she waffled a
> >> bit on all that), something that is anathema to most Danes, not just
> >> left-wing ones. She is widely judged to have cost her party a
> >> significant number of votes.
> >>
> >> Nathan
> >>
> >> On 12-jan-2008, at 15:10, Daniel Ridings wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Denmark is different.
> >>>
> >>> A lot of Danes move from Denmark to Malm?, just across the water. It
> >>> only takes them 20 minutes to get to downtown Copenhagen from where
> >>> they live in Sweden. They move there because Denmark (probably the
> >>> most reactionary country in Europe) does not allow its citizens to
> >>> marry with non-Danes until they are of a certain age (24? 25? 26?).
> >>>
> >>> So Danes that fall in love outside the Danish norms move to Sweden
> >>> where their marriages are recognized.
> >>>
> >>> But in doing so, the Danish citizens lose their right to vote. So they
> >>> can work and pay taxes in Denmark, but they can't sleep with whoever
> >>> they want or vote.
> >>>
> >>> Such is life.
> >>>
> >>> Daniel
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >> Nathan Wajsman
> >> nathan@nathanfoto.com
> >> General photography:
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> >> http://www.frozenlight.eu
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> >>
> >>
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In reply to: Message from jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj) ([Leica] Resident WAS Belgium (WAS: New topic - what makes "it" newsworthy?))
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