Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/01/12
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Good for you - dont get it. Cheers Jayanand On Jan 13, 2008 8:03 AM, B. D. Colen <bd@bdcolenphoto.com> wrote: > What am I missing here - As Nathan explains it, the law applies to Danes > marrying non-residents under the age of 24. If someone wants to bring in a > non-resident over 24, no problem. How is that intolerant of other cultures > and aimed at providing cheap labor without attendant social costs? It may > be > anti-forced marriage, which I suppose some might find "intolerant," if > they > favor forced marriage. But other than that? I don't get it. > > > On 1/12/08 8:34 PM, "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jayanand@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Nathan, > > Sounds like nonsense to me. Looks to me Danes want the cheap labour > without > > the attendant social costs, and are intolerant of other cultures. > > Cheers > > Jayanand > > > > On Jan 12, 2008 9:43 PM, Nathan Wajsman <nathan@nathanfoto.com> wrote: > > > >> Just to clarify: in order to combat forced marriages which were/are > >> prevalent among certain ethnic groups, Denmark has indeed instituted > >> a 24-year rule. If a Danish citizen wants to marry a non-resident who > >> is under 24 and wants to bring him/her to Denmark, a test is applied > >> to determine whether the couple, jointly, have a stronger connection > >> to Denmark or to the other country. If the couple has a stronger > >> connection to the other country, then the foreign spouse will not get > >> a residence permit until s/he is 24. If both parties already have > >> legal residence in Denmark, the rule does not apply. > >> > >> The law is applied equally regardless of nationality. A couple of > >> years ago the son of a government minister who had been studying in > >> the US for several years was unable to bring his American wife into > >> the country because she had no prior connection with Denmark, and he > >> had lived in the US for several years, and so they were judged to > >> have a stronger connection with the US than with Denmark. > >> > >> It is hard to say what is reactionary and what is not. The whole > >> issue of how to deal with especially Muslim immigrants has been a > >> deep dilemma for the Danish left for several years; on one hand, they > >> want to be progressive, multicultural and liberal with respect to > >> immigrants' rights, but on the other hand they find themselves > >> unwittingly supporting truly reactionary practices such as forced > >> marriages, the burka, oppression of women etc. In the most recent > >> election in November the most extreme left-wing party had a female > >> candidate who wore the hijab and supported sharia law, including the > >> death penalty (obviously, when speaking to non-Muslims she waffled a > >> bit on all that), something that is anathema to most Danes, not just > >> left-wing ones. She is widely judged to have cost her party a > >> significant number of votes. > >> > >> Nathan > >> > >> On 12-jan-2008, at 15:10, Daniel Ridings wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Denmark is different. > >>> > >>> A lot of Danes move from Denmark to Malm?, just across the water. It > >>> only takes them 20 minutes to get to downtown Copenhagen from where > >>> they live in Sweden. They move there because Denmark (probably the > >>> most reactionary country in Europe) does not allow its citizens to > >>> marry with non-Danes until they are of a certain age (24? 25? 26?). > >>> > >>> So Danes that fall in love outside the Danish norms move to Sweden > >>> where their marriages are recognized. > >>> > >>> But in doing so, the Danish citizens lose their right to vote. So they > >>> can work and pay taxes in Denmark, but they can't sleep with whoever > >>> they want or vote. > >>> > >>> Such is life. > >>> > >>> Daniel > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >> > >> Nathan Wajsman > >> nathan@nathanfoto.com > >> General photography: > >> http://www.nathanfoto.com > >> http://www.greatpix.eu > >> http://www.frozenlight.eu > >> Picture-A-Week: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > >> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >