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Subject: [Leica] Changing eyes, M focusing
From: hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (G Hopkinson)
Date: Wed Nov 7 13:38:59 2007
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0711071205340.11412@mail.2alpha.com> <47321D9A.6070401@numericable.fr>

Well with our demographics, more than one photographer here with imperfect 
vision and progressives. Maybe I'm lucky that my near
vision deficiency is apparently close to the normal - built into the M's. No 
way I can see enough of the finder frames through any
sort of glasses. I don't know how you guys do it. Have none of the people 
commenting tried the corrective eyepieces? You don't need
variable anything through the finder, just the right correction dioptre. 
Except for folks with more complex vision imperfections, I
guess. But auto focus, PAAH! ;-) Oh OK it can really useful, just keep it 
away from my M's. More seriously AF is a LOT better than
not taking photographs. Heck I even still look at your pictures!
Cheers
Hoppy 

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org 
[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Philippe Amard
Sent: Thursday, 8 November 2007 06:19
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Changing eyes, M focusing

No M but progressive specs - gets some getting used to, but then you no 
longer want to do without them - you can drive AND watch the clock for 
instance.
For photography, AF is a fine solution too.(I know some will hate this)
Yours
Phil...x


Peter Klein wrote:

> Up until recently, both my glasses and contacts prescriptions were 
> fine for focusing an M camera. When I got the M8, the smaller 
> magnification made focus a little more difficult, but still quite doable.
>
> My latest prescription has changed all that. I can still focus the M8 
> fine in bright sunlight. But in standard room lighting and dimmer, I'm 
> having difficulty focusing at about 2 meters and closer. The 
> viewfinder image is slightly blurry--just enough to throw me off.  The 
> issue is the same with both glasses and contacts.  All this is after I 
> looked at my optometrist's eye chart through the M8 viewfinder with 
> various corrections, and he adjusted my prescription accordingly.
>
> My optometrist says my eyes are healthy, I'm just near-sighted and 
> middle-aged.  :-)
>
> It seems like a single screw-in diopter correction for the M bodies is 
> not the answer, as the viewfinder itself seems fine for 2 meters and 
> farther, but I need something different as I get closer.  A couple of 
> solutions come to mind:
>
> 1) Progressive lenses in my glasses
> 2) An adjustable diopter correction for the M8
>
> Progressive lenses might work. I guess you just hold the camera lower 
> on your glasses for focusing on nearby objects. Since I do computer 
> work, progressives might mean I could get by with only one pair of 
> glasses.
>
> Now, I tried progressives about 10 years ago. I used them for about a 
> month, but couldn't quite get used to them. I was perceiving varying 
> barrel distortion and other weird effects like the image "following 
> sligthtly behind" as I turned my head from side to side, and it drove 
> me nuts.  I much preferred ordinary bifocals, so I ended up with them, 
> plus a additional single vision pair of glasses for computer work.  
> Maybe now that I've had the experience of adjusting to monovision 
> contacts, I might be more adaptable(?)
>
> The Megaperls magnifiers have an adjustable diopter correction. Their 
> 1.15x magnifier would bring the M8 image up from .68x to .78x, and I 
> could probably just leve it on the camera for lenses from 28mm to 
> 90mm. It would give me a diopter adjustment I could tweak between near 
> and far. This would work with contacts as well as glasses.
>
> So, calling all middle-aged dudes and dude-ettes with M cameras!  How 
> have you coped with creeping presbyopia? Have you tried progressive 
> lenses, and how do they work for you, both with M cameras, and in real 
> life?  Have you adjusted well to them?  Do you get a stiff neck from 
> pitching your head up and down to "focus," or is it pretty natural 
> after a while?
>
> And does anyone have experience with the Megaperls magnifiers?  How 
> usable are they with glasses, and is the diopter adjustment useful for 
> dealing with near vs. far focusing?
>
> Thanks, all!
> --Peter
>
>
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