Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/01/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Jerry, I have found two sources, and both present problems in my case. *Bay has a number of old versions up for sale, but all of them require one to have a Pa*pal account, which I refuse to do. The second source comes from Eastern Europe, and I am not about to expose my credit card to that part of the world. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Lehrer" <glehrer@san.rr.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0 > Jim, > > Is there such a thing as a used Photoshop?. Is there a second hand market > for it? > > Jerry > > Jim Nichols wrote: >> Ric, >> >> I had considered that possibility. As far as I know, Adobe only sells >> the latest, but there may be resellers who have the earlier versions. I >> will look around. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ric Carter" <ricc@mindspring.com> >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0 >> >> >>> Are early versions of Photoshop still for sale at reduced prices? >>> >>> This may be a lower cost substitute for some people. >>> >>> Ric Carter >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/ricc/ >>> >>> On Jan 30, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Peter Dzwig wrote: >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> my comments on PSE5: >>>> >>>> I upgraded to PSE5 a couple of weeks ago because of my desire to be >>>> able to use levels. That was the single reason. Frankly it does that >>>> in a limited way, but in my opinion the User Interface to PSE5 is >>>> awful. >>>> >>>> UI: >>>> >>>> I say in my opinion deliberately because it is my opinion, but then >>>> that is what UI design is all about, providing a good experience to >>>> the user. To this user the UI singularly fails to do that. The user is >>>> forced into a way of handling and storing my images which is Adobe's >>>> way and not, probably the way that many users would want to. >>>> >>>> Several of the tools have been moved and the design of the sliders etc >>>> changed. Previously they had been perfectly OK. If it ain't bust... >>>> >>>> >>>> Levels: >>>> >>>> FWIW I work entirely with TIFFs until I do something like putting the >>>> images in the LUG gallery; as afr as I am aware all of these comments >>>> apply equally to JPEG manipulation. >>>> >>>> Levels, or lack of them, has been for me one of the major differences >>>> between PSE and PS. My workflow is based upon scanned C41 B&W >>>> (BW400CN) images stored as RGB TIFFs. Generally I convert these to B&W >>>> and then work on them as required. Levels is one of the last steps one >>>> would go through. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately "adjust colour levels" - which is what you get - >>>> requires a colour image, so you have to work entirely in colour or >>>> convert a B&W image back to colour! The levels that you get from the >>>> UI are then only adjustable at certain points via sliders, no manual >>>> dragging of the curves. The preview seems to take a longer time to >>>> react than I would have expected, but that is a minor point. Finally >>>> you cannot save the output from a set of levels adjustments >>>> independently of the image. In other words you can't save the >>>> adjustments to import and re-use. >>>> >>>> PSE5 adds a number of features which are aimed at the digital video >>>> capture market and at doing the sorts of things that I guess that most >>>> LUGgers probably don't do; most of which aren't "traditional >>>> photographic" manipulation. >>>> >>>> Gripes apart PS/PSE does enable you to do a lot which you couldn't do >>>> in a darkroom and that is its strength. >>>> >>>> Peter Dzwig >>>> >>>> > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >