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Subject: Was RE: [Leica] Tri Motor/Ju 52 Now OT DC-3/C-47
From: hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (G Hopkinson)
Date: Sat Nov 11 22:56:52 2006

Marc, firstly my apology that my spell check has wrongly "corrected" your 
name in my last posting.
Secondly, I recalled three of the tail numbers from that period. There were 
more.
Keep in mind that I was in the armaments and aircrew egress systems area, so 
the Dakotas to me were not a high priority. Having said
that, you have to respect any aircraft that has a plywood instrument panel 
and cockpit side windows that you can open in flight.
They did take us a lot of awkward places and transported quite a variety of 
goodies and folks, as you may appreciate. I'm sure that
you also understand that the Berlin airlift was a little before my time in 
service!
The tail numbers that I recall for the moment (there were others) were:

A65-78 Remarkable as probably the only ?stealth? DC3 on record (used to 
trial a low vis paint scheme for P3C maritime patrol
aircraft)
A65-86
A65-114 Which I watched crash on take off after a double engine failure. 
There were no casualties. I recall that the passengers were
veteran aircrew on their way to some gathering. They all emerged unscathed 
and undaunted,
I found an excellent website that you may like to look at.
http://www.adf-serials.com/

It includes the following information for A65-69, which has apparently ended 
up back in Germany.

A65-69
VH-CUZ
C-47B
27127
43-49866
Delivered to the RAAF 02/45. Served with Butterworth Station flight from 
1964 to 1980. Departed for West Germany 06/06/80 under the
command of Flt Lt Garry Dunbar RAAF and arrived in West Germany 11 days 
later. Became RAF ZD215 for delivery on 18/06/80 to Berlin
Gatow for preservation as due to treaty details only British, US and French 
serialed aircraft were allowed safe passage through the
Berlin air corridors up to 1989. Flown there by Sqn Ldr Al Culloway RAF and 
AV Marshall David Evans who was a veteran of the Berlin
Airlift. On Display at the Berlin Airlift Museum, RAF Gatow Germany.


Cheers
Hoppy



-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org 
[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
G Hopkinson
Sent: Sunday, 12 November 2006 16:00
To: 'Leica Users Group'
Subject: RE: [Leica] Tri Motor/Ju 52

Mark, I shall have to check the unit archives. I served there from 1983-1991 
and again in 1999.
I was recalling something commonly accepted at the time. I shall see what I 
can dig up.
Certainly these aircraft were used for quite a number of interesting 
purposes during my time there.
Cheers
Hoppy

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org 
[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Marc James Small
Sent: Sunday, 12 November 2006 15:11
To: Leica Users Group; 'Leica Users Group'
Subject: RE: [Leica] Tri Motor/Ju 52

At 11:47 PM 11/11/2006, G Hopkinson wrote:
>Douglas, up until the 80's/90's the Royal 
>Australian Air Force still operated several "Daks" at our Aircraft Research 
>and
>development Unit (ARDU) where I worked. I have 
>flown as a passenger many thousands of 
>kilometres in these aircraft over quite a
>period. At least one of these airframes participated in the Berlin airlift.
>http://www.adf-serials.com/gallery/albums.php?set_albumListPage=14

Hoppy

Who operated it during the Berlin Airlift?  This 
WAS a multi-national effort but I had not 
realized that the RAAF played a part in it.  The 
USAAF pretty much discouraged the use of the 
C-47/Dakota/R4D/DC-3 in the Airlift as the 
resources required to push a C-47 to Berlin and 
back was about 80% as large as that required for 
a C-54, which carried almost three times the 
cargo.  Thus, the USAF pretty much insisted on 
all flights being on C-54's but some C-47's might have gotten through.

Whenever someone starts spinning a story, GET THE 
DETAILS.  After all, there are truly "a million 
stories in the naked city", and every one has 
some piece of truth in it.  (If someone tells me 
that the RAAF operated flights of Dakotas into 
Templehoff and Gatow during the Airlift, I will 
be surprised to learn this, but hardly 
astonished, as I learn new things every day on 
every imaginable topic (other than digital 
photography, which just becomes increasingly beyond my grasp, I fear.)

Marc



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