Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/09/03
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I'll definitely take a look. Thanks. Scott Don Dory wrote: > Scott, > I will dare raise the subject again. For a $100 or so dollars buy an > Expo > Disc and use it for custom white balance. Use like an incident meter and > your color will fall where they should. Well built, easy to use and > consistant. You don't have to worry that your white card has gotten > grungy > or bent or isn't the correct shade of white. > > Don > don.dory@gmail.com > > > On 9/2/06, Scott McLoughlin <scott@adrenaline.com> wrote: > >> >> Chris, >> >> Thanks for going through all the variables I should consider. >> >> I've taken one vivid shot, of a rusty lamp on a boat. Dunno >> why, but that captured the greenish patina where my normal >> mode didn't. >> >> I have the camera setup for Adobe RGB. That should be ok, >> right? I don't recalibrate every week, but I also use a Trinitron >> CRT that I'll calibrate every month or two. >> >> Perhaps it is a WB problem. >> >> First, generally, I'm a low contrast NPH (now 400H) kind >> of guy. And in the next few days I'll dip into my new >> stash of Sensia. NPH is more or less made for people >> pics - popular wedding film, etc. I wonder if I'm just not >> going to get that kind of look out of my DSLR "in camera." >> >> Second, while I carry around a white card, I don't use it >> nearly as much as I should (like having dental floss....) I >> have to have better habits here. I have little excuse, because >> I'm rarely a quick shooting kind of shooter. >> >> Third, now that I think of it, I use my DSLR with flash quite >> a bit - either an SB800 or especially a pair of Alien Bees 800's. >> This might present a particular kind of WB problem. >> >> But, I'm going to tweak the in camera settings a bit until >> something good happens or I get bored :-) >> >> So, now a question - how to get a good custom WB when >> using artificial lighting, either with on camera flash (or a flash >> bracket) or with studio strobes? >> >> And a comment. My brother adopted a little black girl, and >> her skin tones come out just fine. It seems I have a white >> people skin problem. >> >> Again, thanks. >> >> Scott >> >> Christopher Williams wrote: >> >> >Welcome to digital colors. Yes, Nikon and Canon have different color >> looks. >> >To me personally Nikon has more of a "film" look. I've shot both >> kinds of >> >cameras and that's just my opinion, means nothing else. Fuji has come >> close >> >to great skin tones in their dSLR's but they have never achieved a >> great >> >dSLR camera to use(slow focus, poor VF, bad body build). >> > >> >Most dSLR's have 3 color modes. You want to use sRGB or Abode RGB with >> skin >> >tones. Using RGB II or III is for landscape colors. Horrors if you have >> your >> >D70 or D200 on VIVID!! Shooting in NEF/RAW can keep you from constantly >> >trying to change color corrections. And do not use Auto WB(I don't care >> what >> >camera you have), try using a Custom WB whenever possible - yeah I know >> it's >> >bitch sometimes. I usually have a good 2 minutes to do this in a church >> or >> >reception hall. Some cameras allow you do store Custom WB modes so you >> can >> >save a WB in #1 for a certain church or #2 for a certain reception >> hall. >> >Kind of like having different kinds of film. I'd never shoot Fuji 800 >> Press >> >for bridal portraits - who wants red skin? But it works very well in >> low >> >light rooms where the skin tones may not matter as much as the overall >> >feeling of the mood. >> >There's even the ability to create a Custom Curve in your Nikon with >> Nikon >> >Capture. I have this in all my Nikons and believe me it helps later >> with >> >post processing. >> > >> >Then there's the fun part of getting skin tones to look correct with >> home >> >printers but that's just like at a lab where they may print with Fuji, >> Agfa >> >or Kodak paper. >> > >> >My crappy 1 cent anyway. >> > >> >Chris >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Scott McLoughlin" >> >Subject: [Leica] Skin tone - film vs. digital (not a debate) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>I've been shooting with a D70 and now a D200. >> >> >> >>I find that skin tones with film have a certain opaque >> >>quality, and a lean toward beige, that I like. I've never >> >>personally shot Kodachrome, but as a viewer, I see >> >>these qualities playing out in force. >> >> >> >>By comparison, my DSLRs seem to render skin tones >> >>with a kind of transparency and pinkness. >> >> >> >>So I find myself in color correction mode quite frequently, >> >>tweaking skin tones toward yellow on the color cube (I use >> >>PWP). >> >> >> >>Any clue as to the causes of this discrepancy? I don't mean >> >>to start a debate. The DSLR may well be more "true to life" >> >>for all I know. But I don't like it. >> >> >> >>Might this be a quality unique to Nikon DSLRs? >> >> >> >>Even better, any ideas how I might do something in camera >> >>so that I'm not goofing with color correction all the time? >> >> >> >>Thanks. >> >> >> >>Scott >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Leica Users Group. >> >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Pics @ http://www.adrenaline.com/snaps >> Leica M6TTL, Bessa R, Nikon FM3a, Nikon D70, Rollei AFM35 >> (Jihad Sigint NSA FBI Patriot Act) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Pics @ http://www.adrenaline.com/snaps Leica M6TTL, Bessa R, Nikon FM3a, Nikon D70, Rollei AFM35 (Jihad Sigint NSA FBI Patriot Act)