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Subject: SLR viewfinders (was: Re: [Leica] M42x1-Canon EOS adapter ...)
From: scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin)
Date: Wed Aug 30 11:09:13 2006
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Fascinating!  Thanks.

Scott

telyt@earthlink.net wrote:

>Scott McLoughlin <scott@adrenaline.com> wrote:
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>>OK, so I give up. Why is it so hard to make a nice SLR VF?
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>A good SLR viewfinder delivers a bright contrasty image that can be seen
>clearly over the entire area.  One of the supposed advantages of the SLR is
>being able to focus over 
>the entire picture area, no?
>
>First you need to deliver a lot of light to the viewscreen, meaning you
>need a fully-reflective front-surface mirror, not the semi-silverd mirrors
>that AF systems require.  The screen itself needs to transmit a lot of this
>light while providing enough of the 'ground glass' effect to focus the
>image.  The 'ground glass' effect scatters light, so there's a trade-off
>between brightness and the 'tooth' of the ground glass (actually matte
>plastic).  AF cameras compensate for the lower light delivered to the
>screen by giving the screen less 'tooth'.  You can get a reasonably bright
>screen on an AF camera, at the cost of the 'tooth' required for efficient
>manual focus.  Nikon makes (or, made) G- and H-series viewscreens for the F
>cameras that substituted either clear plastic (G) or microprisms (H) to
>make a very bright viewing image.  The microprisms and fresnel rings on
>these screens were optimized for particular focal lengths and aperture
>ranges.
>
>The viewscreen also needs to include some way of delivering even
>illumination; this is generally done with fresnel rings etched into the
>screen in addition to a condensing lens on top of the screen.
>
>Next the good viewfinder needs to use a large glass pentaprism, not a
>skimpy prism or a pentamirror.  Pentamirrors are light weight but they
>don't reflect light as efficiently as a pentaprism.
>
>I'll leave discussion of the viewfinder eyepiece to the optometrists among
>us, but here's what Leitz did with the SL and SL2:
>
>The mirror is fully-reflective except for the central region, where the
>meter reads the light.  The standard screen in the SL has a coarse
>microprism in the central area and a very fine microprism over the balance
>of the screen.  The fine microprism is small enough that you can't
>recognize it as microprisms, it focusses like ground glass yet transmits
>light like microprisms.  The microprisms preclude the use of etched fresnel
>rings so instead the pentaprism has a condensing lens ground into the
>bottom.  And of course the prism is big to provide good viewing out to the
>corners.
>
>The condenser lens in the prism is more expensive to make, the big prism is
>heavy, and the fully-silvered mirror means no AF.
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>>So what about a a nice ~93% coverage , but otherwise spiffy
>>VF like in the Nikon FM series?  Why aren't all SLR viewfinders
>>at least that good?
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>in a word, Autofocus.  Try and SL or SL2 and see if you still think the
>FM-series viewfinders are all that spiffy.  They're quite good compared
>with what most people expect in an SLR viewfinder but compared with the SL
>or SL2 there's lot to be desired.
>
>Doug Herr
>Birdman of Sacramento
>http://www.wildlightphoto.com
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