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Subject: [Leica] I have saved a soul
From: nathan at nathanfoto.com (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Sun Jul 16 21:21:45 2006
References: <20060717000326.FBXC29052.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@vickko1>

Sorry to sound harsh, but you are living in a dream world, Vick. The 
prices of medium format gear HAVE already crashed, and they are NOT 
going to go back up. This is why I picked up a Hasselblad outfit earlier 
this year--the price was simply irresistible. For the price of a 50mm 
Summicron, I picked up a Hasselblad body with 3 lenses, 2 magazines and 
various odds and ends. The only MF gear still being sold new are the 
Rollei 6008 and similar outfits that can take digital backs--and even 
that market is being severely diminished by the competition from Canon 
1Ds Mark II.

I have sometimes been tempted by the M3's being offered for sale 
here--for example, one of the UK members is selling one for 500 GBP; or 
my friend in Belgium who had a bunch of equipment he was selling for a 
widow. Or indeed one of the Ted's M7s, as it would be an honor to have a 
camera used by Ted. But what has kept me from jumping on one of those 
deals is that I see that the film market is going down much faster than 
anyone expected even 3 years ago. Oh, I am sure film will continue to be 
available, just as you can still buy supplies to do platinum or 
palladium processing, but I am not prepared to do my own processing, and 
I believe that commercial processing is what is going to disappear 
first. An example: the best pro lab in Amsterdam, s-Color, used to be 
open 24 hours a day until a few years ago; when I moved to the 
Netherlands in 2003, it was still open until late (10 p.m. or midnight), 
and on weekends as well. Now it is open only M-F during normal business 
hours, and I predict that within the next 5 years they will drop film 
processing altogether and focus exclusively on digital work. From what 
people write here on the list, this is a development that is happening 
in every major city (minor cities lost their pro labs long ago) around 
the world. So while you may have saved your friend's soul, you may also 
have pointed him in a direction of buying what in a few short years will 
be expensive paperweights...

Nathan

Vick Ko wrote:
> That might be the topic of our next meeting.
>
> I was going to show him my new Focomat V35.  
>
> I think the classical lenses will go back up in price/value as digital 
> backs
> become more prevalent.
>
> And classical techniques will re-emerge as users discover the limitations 
> of
> the digital gear and processes.
>
> regards
> Vick 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+vick.ko=sympatico.ca@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+vick.ko=sympatico.ca@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Jeffery Smith
> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:27 PM
> To: 'Leica Users Group'
> Subject: RE: [Leica] I have saved a soul
>
> Well, I HOPE you told him that he has to shoot B&W and develop it himself!!
>
> I keep thinking that, with all of the popularity of dSLRs and digicams, the
> price of film cameras, especially medium format, will crash. That doesn't
> seem to be happening yet. I put up an e*** search for "new medium format"
> cameras, thinking that dealers will be dumping their Bronicas, Mamiyas,
> Pentaxes, etc. The only new medium format hits that come up each day are 
> for
> Holgas!
>
> Jeffery Smith
> New Orleans, LA
> http://www.400tx.com
> http://400tx.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
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