Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/02/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Ted, While I deeply respect your abilities and your needs with a camera, there are other photographers out there who have different needs. Doug has stayed with the SL because of the viewfinder. Most will agree that the R8/R9 viewfinder is probably the best in business. If your work requires a fabulous viewfinder then the DMR is your digital option. As good as the Canon's are, and they are quite good, their viewfinders are not up to the SL or the R8/9 viewfinder. For you, the Noctilux was the tool, it gave you signature ability and a quite different look. It was a competitive edge. Many think that spending what you spent on a Noctilux is insane. Similarly, for some, the viewfinder of the R8/9 gives them the same advantage as the Noct gave you. Within some limits, arguing about the price of a tool that will return far more than it's cost is a futile exercise. 0.02 Don don.dory@gmail.com On 1/31/06, Ted Grant <tedgrant@shaw.ca> wrote: > > Hi David, > Now son you've made that DMR thingy sound like manna from heaven! ;-) Now > the reality is... how well does it operate and produce images at > 800-1600-3200? > > Because if it's not worth tidily at 800-1600 or 3200 what does one pay > $5-6000 grand for? A very nicely packed shiny looking box? Or I suppose > there's a way to re-jig it through under exposure and fiddling knobs and > buttons to get some kind of image. However, if that's the case I'll save > my > money and continue to use the Leicanon 20D and Leica glass even with the > extra effort of using a smaller screen and viewfinder. Not so tough when > you > make your mind up to making it work, it works! Obviously not like an R8, > but > it still works very well. > > As far as I'm concerned if a digital camera, it doesn't matter who it's > made > by, can't cut images cleanly and beautifully at least at ASA 800, then > it's > useless for a photojournalist doing his work by available light. > > I know how well the 20D works under what I'd call severe lack of light at > ASA 3200 and still come up with beautiful photographs that can be printed > at > 12X18 photo size. Like no problem at all! They are drop dead beautiful! > > As most interesting as your detailed box opening and DMR unveiling was, > well > done lad, yes I'm impressed with the packaging, looks and feel. However, > if > the thing at near $6000. can't cut the grass at 800-1600, better it should > capture great Leica glass images at 3200, and it can't? So what's the big > deal? > > Nice happy snaps of the countryside at ASA 100? Surely that can't be wroth > $5,000 or $6,000? > > So I'm interested how well your DMR works under existing light conditions > where it's dawn and you have some gorgeous mountain critter focused in the > R9 viewfinder and can't get a shutter speed or aperture to put the image > on > the card. WHY? Because... the camera DMR can't go to 800-1600! ? > > Now that's what sorts this machine out whether it's worth what you paid > for > it or not. If it can't cut great images to card even at ASA 800 please try > and make a believer out of me it's as good as what it's supposed to be. > > I can always get in an OR and blaze away for a day and then we can see how > good it is under real-time shooting under "work conditions." > > However, knowing the quality shooter you are I don't have any doubt you'll > capture some wonderful real life country side material and I'm not alone > in > waiting for the results. > > Just remember, I'm far more interested at what it does from ASA 800 and > higher because that's what sorts out the toys from the others. Leica or > not, > if it can't be used successfully under available light conditions as I > have > with film and most certainly with the 20D and Leica glass. Then it's a > meaningless toy to play with. > ted > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >