Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/01/29

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Subject: [Leica] Further adventures of a completely screwed up guy: long and occasionally on topic
From: ricc at mindspring.com (Ric Carter)
Date: Sun Jan 29 06:25:43 2006
References: <63CD409E-936D-45FB-AE56-6E23CB2D9470@shaw.ca> <1C76E288-3576-48D6-92A7-29B617687585@btinternet.com> <9b678e0601290559w38837c4dr9b9c4d3373f32f23@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, I remember my affair with a '72 Europa...

I remember it in much the same terms as my first wife.

The exquisite wonders occasionally flashing through the suffering;^)

Ric Carter
http://gallery.leica-users.org/Passing-Fancies



On Jan 29, 2006, at 8:59 AM, Don Dory wrote:

> Frank,
> Would you say the overweight issue is due to slack engineering: by  
> that I
> mean not finding new materials and design to reduce mass while still
> including the power accessories that someone with the money to buy one
> expects.  Or, because the market worships top speed and  
> acceleration the
> increased engine size and required necessary to control the  
> increased power
> necessarily make large heavy cars.
>
> I get the feeling that not enough purchasers would be willing to  
> purchase a
> Chapman theory vehicle to justify the tooling.  Once you add all the
> luxuries you need more power which makes tires, wheels, suspension
> larger/heavier ad nauseum.
>
> Don
> don.dory@gmail.com
>
>
> On 1/29/06, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well said. Nobody makes Sports Cars any more, they are all overweight
>> 2 seat limos. The nearest after Lotus and Noble are Porsche, who
>> still make lightish cars but the rest are overweight, even all the
>> Ferraris bar one. The fashion is power, but whilst extra power will
>> get back the acceleration lost to the weight, and give a pointless
>> increase in never-used top speed, the nimbleness, handling and good
>> brakes are forever lost :-(
>> Even the Elise is suffering, the Toyota engined one has been "pimped"
>> as you put it and is about 15% heavier than the K-series car, sad,
>> acceleration and top speed notwithstanding.
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> On 29 Jan, 2006, at 04:37, John Collier wrote:
>>
>>> gave the big thumbs up to the Lotus Elise. Why would anyone buy
>>> anything else if you are in the market for a sports car? Does
>>> anyone else actually even make a sports car anymore?
>>
>>
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In reply to: Message from jbcollier at shaw.ca (John Collier) ([Leica] Further adventures of a completely screwed up guy: long and occasionally on topic)
Message from Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie) ([Leica] Further adventures of a completely screwed up guy: long and occasionally on topic)
Message from don.dory at gmail.com (Don Dory) ([Leica] Further adventures of a completely screwed up guy: long and occasionally on topic)