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Subject: [Leica] NY Times Article on Famous Rosa Parks Photo
From: bdcolen at comcast.net (B. D. Colen)
Date: Thu Dec 8 07:03:48 2005

Well said, Ted.


On 12/8/05 1:14 AM, "Ted Grant" <tedgrant@shaw.ca> wrote:

> B. D. Colen offered:
> Subject: Re: [Leica] NY Times Article on Famous Rosa Parks Photo
>> I can't get over the fact that people are willing to subscribe to news
>> papers, but are somehow offended by having to pay for news and feature
>> material if its delivered over the internet. <<
> 
> Hi B.D.,
> I'm surprised we aren't charged for internet information by many services
> far more than we are. The "for free" syndrome was created I think at the
> beginning by internet elite who conceived it to pass information back and
> forth quickly between a select group of users to be free to make instant 
> use
> in critical situations. Then along came this massive www communications
> system we have today where it seems everything and anything you want is 
> user
> free. But I don't think that's going to last whether people like it or not.
> 
> A few years ago I asked an internet chap "how do people make money off the
> internet?" Like who pays for websites and all the time it takes to put
> information, pictures, advertising and endless other things we find on 
> line?
> 
> His response was something like, " in some case's it's quite easy because
> it's merely a transfer of information already on computers some where and
> basically loaded by volunteers or students. Others receive payment for
> advertising space and that's how they make money."
> 
> He then says, "However it wont last for ever! Sometime soon all these "free
> information" sites will be charging some kind of fee. It may only be a
> couple of bucks or an enormous amount. After all you don't go to the
> library, take books out for free nor use their research facilities for
> free."
> 
> Newspapers/magazines will be charging a fee of some kind no different than
> you picking-up a copy at the newsstand or having it delivered to your 
> home."
> Quote-unquote!
> 
> So  B.D. I'm sure we're going to see more and more of these charges appear
> simply because why should we get it free? Hey I'm not complaining, I think
> it's far better free than sliced bread ever was!. ;-)
> 
> But imagine if each of us had to pay a monthly fee to Brian to be on the 
> LUG
> would we do it? Yep I'd pay if it were a reasonable rate simply because we
> garner so much information that makes our lives personally and
> photographically more interesting. HOWEVER!
> 
> BRIAN TAKE NOTE! ;-)
> We are all poor over worked, on pension senior citizens! So don't get any
> ideas! ;-) :-) We love you just the way you are! :-) :-)
> 
> I've thought a few times when I've required to subscribe to enter a site 
> "to
> hell with that."  In after thought "why not pay" wouldn't I charge if I 
> were
> being a consultant or asking a lawyer for advice?
> 
> So we can get it in our minds sooner than later we're probably going to see
> far more pay fees flashed on the screen than ever in the past. Once one or
> two start then the flood gates will open.
> 
> ted
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "" <bdcolen@comcast.net>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:05 PM
> 
> 
> Do they think that papers - at
>> least major papers - don't have a major investment in their on-line
>> operations? Do they think that they are somehow entitled to free on-line
>> versions of that which they pay for on paper? And don't they understand
>> that
>> if newspapers can't find economically sustaining on-line models we will
>> cease to have newspapers, because readers of paper are a dying breed,
>> circulation of newspapers is shrinking, and without the net, newspapers
>> are
>> doomed?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/7/05 3:17 PM, "Steven Keirstead" <keirst@fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> It's funny, the power of headlines and captions.... I never thought
>>> the guy behind Rosa Parks looked disgruntled, just neutral or bored.
>>> 
>>> I'll have to swing by a library to check the story out in print,
>>> because I hate the fact that the NY Times now charges for some stuff
>>> online that they did not be fore the "Select" gimmick. I may not be
>>> averse to spending money on photo gear or sending money to NPR and
>>> WGBH, but we're awash in "free" news supported by ads. I do miss the
>>> columnists, but not $15 worth.
>>> 
>>>> It is on the front page of the paper and accessible here, though I
>>>> think you'll need to log in to read it.  The stone-faced guy sitting
>>>> behind her is a reporter, not a disgruntled rider, it turns out.
>>>> 
>>>> http://select.nytimes.com/2005/12/07/nyregion/07towns.html?8hpib
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Dick
>>>> Boston MA
>>>> 
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