Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2005/08/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Not if you're the one doing the arrangement, or the male. ;-) On 8/2/05 4:13 PM, "Der Eiserne Reiter" <ferider@yahoo.com> wrote: > I have several friends whose marriage was arranged. Another friend will be > getting > married soon, arranged back home by his family. Believing in arranged > marriages > has nothing to do with discrimination. > > Regards, > > Roland. > > --- "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@comcast.net> wrote: > >> With all due respect, Jayanand, it's not a question of "liberal European >> thinking;" it's a question of whether one views women and men as equals, >> or >> whether one views women as chattel, honored chattel in some societies, but >> chattel none the less. >> >> B. D. >> >> >> On 8/2/05 9:21 AM, "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jgovindaraj@eth.net> wrote: >> >>> You equate an arranged marriage with female circumcision? Wow! Liberal >>> European thinking!! >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand Govindaraj >>> Chennai, India >>> (who has been happily married for 27 years through an arranged marriage, >>> and >>> has had no problem with it) >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Nathan Wajsman" <nathan.wajsman@planet.nl> >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Piercings and Tatoos >>> >>> >>>> Well, I feel like I understand quite a few different cultures because of >>>> my rather nomadic life, the international family I am part of, my Puerto >>>> Rican wife etc. I agree with Dennis' sentiment that we should respect >>>> the >>>> fact that things are done differently in other cultures/religions, but I >>>> do not agree that this implies that they are all equally valid, >>>> particularly in modern, liberal societies like the US or Europe. An >>>> arranged marriage, for me, is beyond the pale in the 21st century, as >>>> is, >>>> for example, female circumcision--which after all, also is grounded in a >>>> strong cultural tradition. In Denmark there have been cases of parents >>>> sending their daughters to Somalia to undergo this type of mutilation, >>>> and >>>> of parents sending their daughters to rural Turkey or Pakistan for an >>>> arranged marriage against their will. Both types of activities are >>>> illegal, and rightly so. >>>> >>>> As someone who has lived most of his life as an immigrant in four >>>> different countries, I say that if someone wants to live like that, then >>>> they should do so in South Asia or wherever this type of tradition is >>>> considered normal. My guiding motto on this type of issue is the >>>> wonderful >>>> American expression, "shit or get off the pot." >>>> >>>> Strong family ties are all well and good, but not if they manifest >>>> themselves in coercion or in practices that are unacceptable to the >>>> wider >>>> society. Some decades ago the Mormons had to accept that polygamy was >>>> not >>>> acceptable in the United States and they abandoned this tradition (yes, >>>> I >>>> am aware of the splinter groups that still cling to it, but mainstream >>>> Mormons do not). As far as I can tell from the Mormon friends and >>>> co-workers I had in the US, this has not had any negative impact on >>>> their >>>> family ties or ability to practice their religion. >>>> >>>> BTW, we know several South Asians (as evident from my latest PAWs), many >>>> Muslims among them, who all live in thoroughly modern, voluntary >>>> marriages, in many cases to "infidels." >>>> >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> Dennis Painter wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is a very interesting set of photos. One certainly needs to know a >>>>> bit of what's going on here to understand them. I am glad that Tina is >>>>> working on this project as I doubt anyone could do better than her. >>>>> Despite that I am not sure photographs will lead to greater >>>>> understanding. >>>>> >>>>> Much has been said of and about different cultures and cultural >>>>> differences. Here are my beliefs. >>>>> >>>>> It's almost impossible to truly understand another culture. Perhaps if >>>>> you know all the history, can read the language, and live within that >>>>> culture for years, then, you might really understand. >>>>> >>>>> If you apply your standards, your culture, against another you are lost >>>>> to understanding. >>>>> >>>>> The best way of "understanding" is to accept that what they believe and >>>>> do is correct to their way of life and culture. Respect their culture. >>>>> This helps greatly to avoid forming prejudice in your mind. >>>>> >>>>> It's hard for me to put this into words. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>> Almere, The Netherlands >>>> >>>> General photography: http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>> Seville photography: http://www.fotosevilla.com >>>> Stock photography: http://www.alamy.com/search-results.asp?qt=wajsman >>>> http://myloupe.com/home/found_photographer.php?photographer=507 >>>> Prints for sale: http://www.photodeluge.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information