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Subject: [Leica] Hotshoes on cameras w/out batteries
From: summicron at bellsouth.net (Frank F. Farmer)
Date: Tue Jun 7 20:36:32 2005
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Thanks for the info.  It all makes pretty good sense.

Frank

On Jun 7, 2005, at 2:31 PM, R. Clayton McKee wrote:

> On 7 Jun 2005 at 12:35, Frank F. Farmer wrote:
>
>> 1) Cameras like the M4-P have hot shoes, but no batteries to speak of.
>>  How does such a camera trigger the electrical contact on the hot
>> shoe?
>>
>> 2) Why was this changed on the M6TTL?  Does it have to do with the TTL
>> flash meter?
>>
>> 3) Will a "classic" M6 w/out a battery trigger a flash in its hot 
>> shoe?
>
>
> For a nondedicated, single-pole flash unit like a 283, all the camera
> has to do to fire the flash is close the circuit between the two
> contacts on the shoe.  It's a timing issue, no more.  That's easy to
> do with a mechanical switch.  (4Ps and before had multiple pc sockets
> because the timing lag for a bulb flash is different from that for
> electronic flash.  By the time the 6 was coming out, bulb flash was
> mostly extinct so there was no need for the M sync.  A handful of the
> very last 4P run had m6 top plates and rangefinders, and theydidn't
> have the M-sync either.  85 or 86 production here.)
>
> When you go into TTL or even AE flash, you've got electronic control
> data being passed back and forth between the processors.  That's a
> whole other set of issues... I'm guessing even the main circuit on
> the M6TTL is electronically operated, just for the sake of design
> simplicity.
>
> The classic M6 has a single-contact hotshoe, as I recall; I'd bet
> lots of your money that it's mechanically triggered as well.  I don't
> have any convenient way to test that, though... both my bodies are
> 4P's.
>
>
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