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Subject: [Leica] For B.D.
From: masonster at gmail.com (David Mason)
Date: Sun Apr 10 17:27:12 2005
References: <4dccee3d050410143621c3750b@mail.gmail.com> <000001c53e2c$8721f580$6401a8c0@dorysrusp4>

Cool - thats all I wanted, I just didn't like the empty comment :)

On Apr 10, 2005 8:22 PM, Don Dory <dorysrus@mindspring.com> wrote:
> David,
> I will stand by my lemon comments.  At PMA 2004 Olympus was really
> pushing the E-1.  At their stand they had a famous photographer shooting
> models and then printing the images out, at 11x14.  They were pretty
> fine: at the Canon booth they were pushing the 20D, same deal with
> photographer and model, but they were printing out 16x20 and 20X30.
> Much better image quality at 16x20 than at brand O.
> 
> Ok, accept the premise that the Canon guys had better computer geeks who
> were doctoring the images before sending them to print.  The DIMA guys
> did a comparison test of the E-1 against the Digilux II.  Same lighting,
> same model, same computer work, same printer: the end result was that at
> 16X20 the Digilux II had a better image both in color, lower artifacts,
> and in total image quality.  It was close, looking at the images, but
> the Digilux did have the better image.
> 
> This in no way degrades the Olympus effort, but they really need to come
> up with the E-II really soon now, with an improved sensor.  The sensor
> in the Evolt isn't it however.
> 
> Don
> dorysrus@mindspring.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+dorysrus=mindspring.com@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+dorysrus=mindspring.com@leica-users.org] On Behalf
> Of David Mason
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 4:36 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] For B.D.
> 
> Did you "try the sensor" though? I mean did you look at the images and
> just laugh at that pitiful sensor size? Somehow I doubt it. Those
> other points are all good points but have nothing to do with what you
> originally said.
> 
> On Apr 10, 2005 5:11 PM, Don Dory <dorysrus@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > David,
> > Actually, I have tried to like the E-1.  It just doesn't work for me.
> > :() I like the size, the lenses, but operationally and viewfinder wise
> > it just doesn't float my boat.  Of course, the only DSLR's that do are
> > the D2X and the 1DsMkII viewfinder wise.
> >
> > Don
> > dorysrus@mindspring.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: lug-bounces+dorysrus=mindspring.com@leica-users.org
> > [mailto:lug-bounces+dorysrus=mindspring.com@leica-users.org] On Behalf
> > Of David Mason
> > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:44 PM
> > To: Leica Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] For B.D.
> >
> > I'm just curious - have you actually tried that "lemon of a sensor
> > size" yourself?
> >
> > On Apr 10, 2005 1:38 PM, Don Dory <dorysrus@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > Feli,
> > > Olympus is trying to turn the lemon of a sensor size into lemonade
> by
> > > creating fast glass so that 800ISO at F2 is the same as 1600 as
> F2.8.
> > > With the emphasis on limited DOF in the fashion world I give them a
> > fair
> > > chance of pulling it off.  Naw, the soccer mom shooting soccer or
> > > football will not be able to keep enough in focus at F2, and there
> are
> > > some really good lenses from independent manufacturers that are 2.8,
> > > quite good, quite cheap, and in the other guys mounts.
> > >
> > > Again, I think Olympus is in a niche market with the 4/3 system.  A
> > very
> > > good system that only a few people will appreciate. :(
> > >
> > > Don
> > > dorysrus@mindspring.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: lug-bounces+dorysrus=mindspring.com@leica-users.org
> > > [mailto:lug-bounces+dorysrus=mindspring.com@leica-users.org] On
> Behalf
> > > Of Feli
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 11:40 AM
> > > To: Leica Users Group
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] For B.D.
> > >
> > > On Apr 10, 2005, at 5:07 AM, B. D. Colen wrote:
> > >
> > > > Boy, there's a shocker!:-) There's only one problem with all of
> it,
> > > and
> > > > I say this as an Olympus whore -
> > > Shocking, isn't it? ;-)
> > >
> > > >  thus far, the smaller sensor does seem
> > > > to translate into more noise at higher isos. It may well be that
> > this
> > > > can be overcome, but there seems little question that at this
> point,
> > > > the
> > > > Canon DSLR's provide the lowest noise levels.
> > >
> > > And that right there is my problem with the 4/3 system. I simply
> don't
> > > think
> > > they will be able to get the noise levels down, given the size of
> the
> > > chip,
> > > especially above 800asa. Both Nikon and Canon are struggling to keep
> > > things clean with the slightly bigger APS size. It a shame because
> it
> > > looks
> > > like a very nice system They  recently announced a 14-35mm (35mm
> > > equiv: 28-70mm) f2.0 and 35-100mm (35mm equiv: 70-200mm) f2.0.
> > > No one else is making fast glass like that.
> > >
> > > feli
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In reply to: Message from masonster at gmail.com (David Mason) ([Leica] For B.D.)
Message from dorysrus at mindspring.com (Don Dory) ([Leica] For B.D.)