[Leica] Gray market

[luisripoll at telefonica.net (Luis Ripoll)]

Chris,

If somebody sells a used product as new, this is a fraud. But I'm not sure
if "Gray Market" minds this.

I'm living in Spain, if you buy i.e. a new car in a different dealer than
"officials" dealer from the brand, you hold a warranty card and you have the
right to be assisted everywhere, even by the official dealers.

When we are talking about "Gray Markets" I thought that we was talking about
such cases. In Spain you can buy a Mercedes in a not "official" dealer by 7%
to 12% less on the price, with all the original docs from the manufacturer.

But I don't think that this represent a loss for the manufacturer, IMO this
is a loss for the official dealers only.

Of course official dealers have much better service.

Saludos desde Barcelona
Luis



-----Mensaje original-----
De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org]En nombre de
Christopher Driggett
Enviado el: miercoles, 16 de marzo de 2005 23:07
Para: Leica Users Group
Asunto: Re: [Leica] Gray market

Luis,
        I think it is perfectly legal because the item was not brought into
the country through the official importer and then sold as new.  What
happens is that the camera stores buys the item from an out of country
importer and has them shipped to the US and then sold as new. This is
no different if you and I would do the same thing and then sell it on
ebay as new.  I am a lay person so I do not know if this is truly legal
or not.
Cheers,
Chris

On Mar 16, 2005, at 1:44 PM, Luis Ripoll wrote:

> Chris,
>
> This could be a good protection, but this is legal?
>
> Suppose you have a problem, and Nikon USA don't solves it, I think
> that all
> the Countries have a Low to be protected, and you can even go to the
> Court.
>
> Saludos desde Barcelona
> Luis
>
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org]En
> nombre de
> Christopher Driggett
> Enviado el: miercoles, 16 de marzo de 2005 20:53
> Para: Leica Users Group
> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Gray market
>
> Feli,
>         In Nikon USA's case if you purchased something grey market in
> the US
> then they will never touch it for service no matter if it is in
> warranty or not.  If you purchased it outside of the US then they will
> honor the warranty.  This is usually the same for the other companies.
> If you are going to purchase grey market then purchase it outside of
> the USA.
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> On Mar 16, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Feli wrote:
>
>> So, Leica's profit is the same. It really boils down to the warranty.
>>
>> feli
>>
>> On Mar 16, 2005, at 11:40 AM, Lew Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>>      I think Leica helps the dealers out by offering their "passport"
>>> protection for items purchased through authorized dealers who obtain
>>> the
>>> items from their domestic market. Even an 'authorized' dealer can
>>> offer new,
>>> grey market stuff, but without passport protection. He is not able to
>>> decide
>>> which items are which.
>>>      As a user you've got to decide on whether or not the passport is
>>> worth the difference in $$$. I assume that, since the cost of
>>> passport
>>> protection pays for underwriting the plan, that the bottom line isn't
>>> affected either way.
>>> -Lew
>>>
>>
>>
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