[Leica] OT: Some square snaps

[daniel.ridings at edd.uio.no (Daniel Ridings)]

Just statistics, J?rg. They take on the least amount of the burden
according to their population. Perhaps it's changed. They got a lot of
static for it a couple of years ago.

I didn't want to make an issue of it. Just wanted to draw an outline.

Daniel

On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, J?rg Willems wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
>
> Why do you say that Finland has the least liberal refugee policy?  Moving
> back to Finland after 25 years things have changed quite drastically.
> Nowadays I see people of all different skin colors even in relatively small
> cities like Kajaani and Valkeakoski.  20 years ago I visited Kajaani with a
> black friend and people starred at us because they knew black people only
> from TV and movies.  I am sure they are not all refugees in the correct
> political sense but I have my doubts that people from Africa, Asia and
> southern Europe are moving to Finland because of the climate.
>
> Mind you, Finland has just over 5 million people and still we have received
> from 1992 to 1997 over 385 000 foreigners.  All of these people are
> receiving full state funded medical insurance and other generous support
> from the state.
>
> J?rg
>
>
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> Daniel Ridings
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> Subject: Re: [Leica] OT: Some square snaps
>
> Graham,
> Foreigners are not really welcome here. Tolerated, but not welcome. The
> fewer, the better. Perhaps I'm exaggerating, but I feel I have to since
> Scandinavia has tended to have a liberal stamp on it. The various
> countries react differently. I suspect that Sweden has the most liberal
> refugee policy, Finland the least, Denmark, a small country, has been over
> saturated and Norway is somewhere inbetween. Probably closer to Finland
> than anything else.
>
> Norway does have a lot of public money, oil money. So it can afford to
> have civil servants on duty who really don't have to pull much weight.
> They can act offended if you show up and expecting them to perform their
> duties. (I've had a run-in with a few of them, so my background
> information might be tainted :-) ). It doesn't really matter if they do
> anything or not. The country and afford them. The bureaucracy is of
> Byzantine proportions.
>
> So you have these furners. You make them report to the police station (one
> single police station in all of Oslo, the capital city, mind you, not just
> your local station) between 8 and 10? possibly 11. Anyway, at the end of
> the short time frame they close. Doesn't matter that you've been waiting
> there since 8 am, they close. Sorry. Come back tomorrow.
>
> So all these poor souls start queuing up at around 7 am. This particular
> day it was -15 degrees and the wind was raging off the fjord, the harbour.
> Cold. Very cold. Most of these people come from temperate zones ...
> Africa, Pakistan, India etc. 15 degrees is cold for many of them.
>
> At 8 o'clock ... make that 8:05 if the police really feel like screwing
> with you, they unlock the door. Now at that point, you don't retain your
> queue place, but you have to rush to a number machine and get a queue
> number.
>
> Some of these will not get served on today. The one station is Oslo is not
> open long enough to take care of them.
>
> Maybe they'll get tired of it and decide to move home?
>
> http://www.rollei-gallery.net/ridings/image-80729.html
>
> Excuse my cynical humor today. I had a run-in with the customs people at
> the border last night. Norway is a member of Schengen so they're not
> allowed to do controls of people, only of goods. I think they're trying to
> drum up business for the train line to Gothenburg they now have but can't
> get to take off (they raised the price 100%) so they're making sure all
> other forms of transportation are so miserable to use that people with opt
> for the useless train instead (it's a milk-run. Stops at every farm
> between Gothenburg and Oslo).
>
> Something like that ...
>
> Daniel
>
>
> > Hi Daniel,
> >
> > I particularly like these two:
> > http://www.rollei-gallery.net/ridings/image-80727.html
> >
> > http://www.rollei-gallery.net/ridings/image-80728.html
> >
> > and I am curious about the reference to 'foreigners dose of humiliation'
> >
> > --Graham
> >
> >
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