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Subject: [Leica] How much does it cost to make an M4-P2 $499? body thebuyout
From: feli2 at earthlink.net (Feli)
Date: Fri Feb 18 00:30:52 2005
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>> Subject: Re: [Leica] How much does it cost to make an M4-P2 $499? 
>> body thebuyout

Forget it guys. The only thing that's going to save Leica's arse in the 
long run is a digital M.
Forget about a digital R. Most people (not you Doug) who shoot SLR's 
these days want a AF
zoom bolted onto what amounts to a laptop computer with a viewfinder. 
Leica can't compete
with Canon. Heck, Nikon has a hard time doing that.

What Leica does make is the best and only professional rangefinder out 
there and although
it is a technological dinosaur, it is perfect at what it does. People 
love them and desire them.

Every time I go on a set with my M and run into the production 
photographer, they get all glassy eyed
at the sight of my M4 or whatever I have and the conversation usually 
goes something like this:

"Nice camera! Always wanted one of those. Great lenses! Can I take a 
look?" or "Hey! Nice camera! is that an M3? I shot with one of those 
back in Nam/AP/whatever. God did I love that camera, can I cope a 
feel?"

At this point some story is told about how they barely escaped a group 
of guerilla fighters from their hotel
room, because they were able to use the neck strap of their M3 to slide 
down the drain pipe or something,
but the conversation usually ends like this.

"Yeah, I loved my M, but nowadays I have to shoot digital, so it's a no 
go. But boy if Leica made
a digital I would get one for those intimate shots on set. It's so nice 
small and the lenses are amazing."

So, I think there is a very healthy market for a digital M.

I think Leica should make three models:

$1500-1800      Metal/plastic body, M-mount, 8MP, x1.5 multiplier, RF, 
Leica's D20/D100
$3500           Metal body, M-mount, 12MP x1.3 multiplier, RF, Leica's 1D 
MkII
$4500-5500      Metal body, 16MP full frame, RF,  Leica's 1Ds II

Throw in a few lenses aimed at the various magnification factors like 
Nikon DX lenses.
I don't care if the camera is made in China or on Mars, as long as the 
quality is as high as we have today.

Keep traditional film based M in production. Maybe they end up making 
5000 a year, in one or two batches.

Figure out a way to make Leica-R glass in 
Nikon/Canon/Minolta/Pentax/Olympus etc. mount.

If they can pull that off they would thrive.

If Leica can't save themselves, someone will end up doing it for them. 
They will be purchased, because they are far too valuable to just 
disappear.

Don't get me wrong, I love my M's and love to shoot film, but I am 
trying to be realistic about this. The world is changing and I would 
rather see Leica adapt and survive, than become a legend that you only  
read about in history books.

My two cents.


feli



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