Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2005/01/14

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Subject: [Leica] RE: FS: Leica IIIf BD ST
From: eduardoalbesi at (Eduardo Albesi)
Date: Fri Jan 14 20:49:45 2005
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Hi Gil,

Sorry to disillusion you, but your camera is indeed a IIIf. It perhaps 
started life as a Ic, and was later factory converted. Such 'upgrades' 
were routinely done at the Wetzlar factory, even since the early days 
of Leica I(A). They usually maintained the original serial number, and 
for that reason you can now find Leica II's and Leica III's with SN's 
that correspond to earlier models.

The IIId exists and is indeed a very rare camera, derived from the IIIc 
first version (pre-war model) and built in less than 450 samples. Both 
IIIc pre war and IIId have a step under the rewind lever (A-R lever) to 
the right of the rangefinder housing. The IIId has a selftimer and the 
IIIc doesn't. Serial numbers are all below the 400,000 threshold that 
marked the beginning of post war production (1945-46).
It is said that IIId production ceased as either there was a shortage 
of selftimer mechanisms (I seem to recall they were produced in 
Switzerland) or either it was a very unreliable mechanism.

A Leica IIId commands a very high price amongst collectors, with very 
nice samples approaching the USD 10,000 tag. If they can find one.

Best regards,

Ed Albesi

El 15/01/2005, a las 0:38, Gil Gabo escribi?:

> Hey guys.  I found this quote, "Based on the early
> IIIc, there had been another, extremely rare model
> (only 427 were made): The IIId, a IIIc with
> self-timer"  at this link:
> Is it possible that I have one of those rare IIId
> bodies???  Boy, this wouldn't be the first time I've
> let a 'rare' specimen pass through my hands, unknown
> to me at the time.
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