Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/10/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]BD There was no survey, I am referring to the discussions that took place about the digital M after it was announced it was in the works. Everyone (or approx. 90%+) stated that it had to be a full frame or they would not buy it. When the RD-1 was announced and every one was praising it even with the crop factor, I asked why it was acceptable for it to have a crop factor and not the digital M. If I remember right, it was you who stated, that the M should be held to the full frame standard, even though non Leica entrants could get away with the crop factor. If I am remembering incorrectly about your statement, forgive me. Gene "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> Sent by: lug-bounces+grduprey=rockwellcollins.com@leica-users.org 10/14/2004 01:12 PM Please respond to Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> To "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org> cc Subject RE: [Leica] Say Hello to Hermes Leica -- THE Photog's FashionStatement Well, I'll take a crop factor on a digital "M" that does exist over no crop factor on a digital M that is just a figment of someone's imagination. And I don't recall that survey to which you refer- that survey to which 100% of the LUG responded and in which 100% of responders said they wouldn't accept a digital M with a crop factor. Mmmmmm - I wonder how we explain the people who are buying the Epson RD-1? And does the survey include the 9? percent of Leica owners who are NOT Lug members? B. D. -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of grduprey@rockwellcollins.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:30 PM To: lug@leica-users.org Subject: RE: [Leica] Say Hello to Hermes Leica -- THE Photog's FashionStatement As my memory recalls, down to a man on the Lug here, a crop factor would not be acceptable for the Leica Digital M. So try another argument. Gene "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> Sent by: lug-bounces+grduprey=rockwellcollins.com@leica-users.org 10/13/2004 11:46 AM Please respond to Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> To "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org> cc Subject RE: [Leica] Say Hello to Hermes Leica -- THE Photog's FashionStatement This is one where we obviously won't agree - there have been crop factors with digital from the beginning - and the buying public has been accepting the crop factor. I don't consider the LUG, a group largely made up of gearheads committed to a 50-year-old film camera design, to be reflective of the attitudes of the buying public. ;-) But as we both know - we're not going to agree on this one. Best B. D. -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Herr Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:43 PM To: Leica Users Group Subject: RE: [Leica] Say Hello to Hermes Leica -- THE Photog's FashionStatement B.D., whether they accomplished the "impossible" or not is a discussion we don't need to re-hash. Everything is possible if costs are ignored. And, they didn't accomplish this astounding feat "at a time when Leica and all the traditionalists said it couldn't be done". They accomplished it 3 years later, when technology reduced technical barriers and after the buying public was conditioned to accept a crop factor. Doug Herr Birdman of Sacramento http://www.wildlightphoto.com -----Original Message----- From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> Sent: Oct 13, 2004 9:32 AM To: 'Leica Users Group' <lug@leica-users.org> Subject: RE: [Leica] Say Hello to Hermes Leica -- THE Photog's FashionStatement Which means they accomplished the "impossible" - at a time when Leica and all the traditionalists said it couldn't be done, in three years from start to having it in consumer's hands. Interesting. -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Yao Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:03 PM To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> Subject: Re: [Leica] Say Hello to Hermes Leica -- THE Photog's FashionStatement on 13/10/04 10:54 pm, Douglas Herr at telyt@earthlink.net wrote: > So, how long was Epson/Cosina working on this before they made it > public? What's the inside scoop, B.D.? Epson told me the project began in 2001. Joseph _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information