[Leica] Re: Zeiss Ikon

[s.jessurun95 at chello.nl (animal)]

People buy and play Steinways because they are excellent in lots of ways.
They have not folded either for lack of innovation have they?
best
simon jessurun


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 3:03 AM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Zeiss Ikon


> Why would we go crying if Leica, which has become a boutique, rather
> than a serious camera company, eventually goes belly up, Emanuel. I, for
> one, own no stock in the company. And as many have pointed out, there
> are enough M6s and M7s out there - along with lenses - to take care of
> us, our children and our children's children, particularly as the number
> of people who will want to shoot film will be getting smaller with every
> passing year.
> 
> And while the MP maybe beautifully made, to call it one of the finest
> photo making tools ever made when it has that ludicrous retro rewind
> knob is to turn out Leica promotional copy, not to engage in rational
> discussion.
> 
> Further, I know what drugs I'm taking at the moment, but I have to
> wonder what you're using that you would write something as offensive as
> this:
> "What is astonishing to me is how such numbers of
> previously professed Leica users are rushing like
> fools towards the alleged pleasures of digital
> masturbation, like a bunch of 12-year-old schooboys"
> 
> Because, Emanuel, those you describe as 12-year-old schoolboys engaged
> in the "alleged pleasures of digital masturbation" include not only many
> of the most experienced, most dedicated Leica users on this list, but
> most of the world's leading photographers.
> 
> Yes, the day of the M is, sadly, coming to an end. Resale prices have
> been dropping line stones in the St. Lawrence for at least 18 months
> now. The end is neigh. But that doesn't mean that most people on this
> list, and many 10s of thousands of others won't keep shooting with their
> Leicas and getting great enjoyment and fulfillment out of doing so. And
> that is, after all, what all of this is about - isn't it? ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Emanuel Lowi
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:30 PM
> To: lug@leica-users.org
> Subject: [Leica] Re: Zeiss Ikon
> 
> 
> Jeffery Smith wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Maybe it will get them....moving (on something other
> > than designer
> > cameras.)
> > 
> 
> There's no way anybody can call the M7 or the MP
> designer cameras. They are in my opinion the best
> Leicas ever made and therefore among the finest
> photo-making tools ever.
> 
> How many of you have used either long enough to
> discover that truth?
> 
> What is astonishing to me is how such numbers of
> previously professed Leica users are rushing like
> fools towards the alleged pleasures of digital
> masturbation, like a bunch of 12-year-old schooboys. 
> 
> And wasn't it here that we've read for years about how
> nobody likes red dots, wants black paint or vulcanite
> or fewer framelines or less plastic or the old classy engraving? So here
> you got it with "a la carte," as the icing on the cakes of two wonderful
> M cameras, and now there's nothing but sneering here about "designer
> cameras" ?
> 
> So keep pushing and pulling on the sticky knobs and
> buttons attached to those battery-swallowing LCD
> screens. Just don't go crying when Leica withers for
> no good reason other than the need of so many to wank
> around with the latest mod con.
> 
> Emanuel Lowi
> Montreal
> 
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