Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/07/13
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]True enough. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Leonard J Kapner Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:22 PM To: 'Leica Users Group' Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Digital M B.D. Please remember that the Price:Quality Progression Curve is not usually arithmetic and linear, except with commodities. With premium goods, it's often geometric, and occasionally asymptotic! So, 2 x quality, 4 x price; 3 x quality, 9 x price, and so on. It might not be logical, or even fair, but that's how it is!! Len -- -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+ljkapner=cox.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+ljkapner=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of B. D. Colen Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:40 AM To: 'Leica Users Group' Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Digital M There is no question that the M and Rs are extremely well built - the Ms are probably the best built modern cameras. And the lenses have no peers in terms of build quality. However...Is the build quality of an MP five times better than that of a Bessa R2? I don't think so. Much better? Absolutely! Twice as good? Not a doubt. Three times as good? Probably? But five times better? I seriously doubt it - and yet the MP is five times the price. Is the build quality of the old Summilux 50 almost five times better than that of the Cosina Nokton 50 1.5? No chance in hell. Twice as good? Even that's a stretch, but I'll grant that. Image quality? It's pretty much a dead heat. Yet the Summilux cost almost five times as much. Why? The red dot. Is the DigiII 33 % better built, or does it produce 33% better images than the Panasonic version of the same camera? How could it possibly - it's the same damn camera but black and without a red dot. Leica equipment is stellar - but please don't tell me you're not paying a huge premium for the name and red dot. :-) -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Peterson Arthur G NSSC Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:13 PM To: 'Leica Users Group' Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Digital M I do not think the prices of Leica cameras and lenses are not "reasonable." They are built like no others, and the prices are "reasonable" for what you get. You can buy many Toyotas, or even several very fine Mercedes Benzes, for the price of a single Rolls-Royce. Art Peterson -----Original Message----- From: Felix Lopez de Maturana [mailto:fmaturana@euskalnet.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:51 To: lug@leica-users.org Subject: [Leica] Re: Digital M >I don't know that I call fine-tuning lenses innovative, David. Yes, >they produce stunning lenses; absolutely no question about it. But the >reality is that Canon also produces some stunning lenses, and even >Nikon produces a few. ;-) There's nothing really "innovative" about it. >Now, if they found a way to produce stunning lenses at far lower cost, >that would be innovative. ;-) May be the problem of Leica is that, probably due to the size and management of the company, Leica cannot achieve the production of stunning lenses not at a lower cost, this may be mathematically impossible, but at a reasonable price. A "standard" lens like the new 50mm ASPH is merely out of reason at the price is offered. I can buy two excellent Canon L lenses for this price. Probably a problem of efficacy of the company that will disappear if this situation remains. Felix _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information