Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/07/13

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Subject: [Leica] Re: Digital M
From: bdcolen at earthlink.net (B. D. Colen)
Date: Tue Jul 13 13:02:49 2004

True enough. ;-)

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From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Leonard J Kapner
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:22 PM
To: 'Leica Users Group'
Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Digital M


B.D.

Please remember that the Price:Quality Progression Curve is not usually
arithmetic and linear, except with commodities. With premium goods, it's
often geometric, and occasionally asymptotic!

So, 2 x quality, 4 x price; 3 x quality, 9 x price, and so on. It might
not be logical, or even fair, but that's how it is!!

Len

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-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+ljkapner=cox.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+ljkapner=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of B. D.
Colen
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:40 AM
To: 'Leica Users Group'
Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Digital M

There is no question that the M and Rs are extremely well built - the Ms
are probably the best built modern cameras. And the lenses have no peers
in terms of build quality. However...Is the build quality of an MP five
times better than that of a Bessa R2? I don't think so. Much better?
Absolutely! Twice as good? Not a doubt. Three times as good? Probably?
But five times better? I seriously doubt it - and yet the MP is five
times the price. Is the build quality of the old Summilux 50 almost five
times better than that of the Cosina Nokton 50 1.5? No chance in hell.
Twice as good? Even that's a stretch, but I'll grant that. Image
quality? It's pretty much a dead heat. Yet the Summilux cost almost five
times as much. Why? The red dot.

Is the DigiII 33 % better built, or does it produce 33% better images
than the Panasonic version of the same camera? How could it possibly -
it's the same damn camera but black and without a red dot.

Leica equipment is stellar - but please don't tell me you're not paying
a huge premium for the name and red dot. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Peterson Arthur G NSSC
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:13 PM
To: 'Leica Users Group'
Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Digital M



I do not think the prices of Leica cameras and lenses are not
"reasonable." They are built like no others, and the prices are
"reasonable" for what you get.  You can buy many Toyotas, or even
several very fine Mercedes Benzes, for the price of a single
Rolls-Royce.

Art Peterson


-----Original Message-----
From: Felix Lopez de Maturana [mailto:fmaturana@euskalnet.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:51
To: lug@leica-users.org
Subject: [Leica] Re: Digital M


>I don't know that I call fine-tuning lenses innovative, David. Yes,
>they produce stunning lenses; absolutely no question about it. But the 
>reality is that Canon also produces some stunning lenses, and even 
>Nikon produces a few. ;-) There's nothing really "innovative" about it.

>Now, if they found a way to produce stunning lenses at far lower cost,
>that would be innovative. ;-)

May be the problem of Leica is that, probably due to the size and
management of the company, Leica cannot achieve the production of
stunning lenses not at a lower cost,  this may be mathematically
impossible, but at a reasonable price. A "standard" lens like the new
50mm ASPH is merely out of reason at the price is offered. I can buy two
excellent Canon L lenses for this price. Probably a problem of efficacy
of the company that will disappear if this situation remains.

Felix


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