Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/06/27

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Subject: [Leica] declining quality now why are these illiteratesevenadmitted to college
From: ljkapner at cox.net (Leonard J Kapner)
Date: Sun Jun 27 06:13:27 2004

Yes, Frank:

If I recall correctly, the original intent of the academy in Plato's time
was not higher education for all. It was to prepare society's leadership for
the reigns of responsibility to govern democratically. 

Over the centuries that mission has adjusted with society's change. With the
advent of public sponsorship of university finance in America in the early
20th century, the mission was broadened to include access for all. Hence in
some states, one encounters the phenomenon of guaranteed right of entry.
Stripped of exclusivity by a very influential segment of society that is
bent upon socially engineering equality at any cost, the degrees that result
DO have less value.

When university education for all at taxpayer expense becomes the norm, then
only graduate level education will be seen to have value. This is an
industry created by well-meaning social engineers, who unfortunately lacked
sufficient vision to understand what the end game might look like...

What would the camera market be like today if everyone who wanted to make a
photograph were guaranteed access to a Leica and the government subsidized
the manufacture and distribution of them at taxpayer expense?

Ah, well... I hope and pray Ralf is recovering well from his moment last
weekend.

Len

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-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+ljkapner=cox.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+ljkapner=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Frank
Dernie
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:40 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] declining quality now why are these
illiteratesevenadmitted to college

Len,
I agree with you. I am in the UK. I believe the education "industry" is 
the most important industry of all. It prepares the most important 
resource the country has, its people.
I take issue, however, with the view that more and more people should 
have a University education.
Our government seems to have a target of 40% of the population having a 
University education, in the '50s it was around 5% I believe. Since the 
average intelligence of the population has not much changed this 
results in a dumbing down of entry requirements, course content and 
eventual Graduate capability. The degree has less value. The education 
requirements of job seekers has changed over the period but not enough 
to prevent people today, who have a degree, doing exactly the same job 
that they would have done in the past without a degree and on the same 
pay. This results in massive financial hardship for young people.
I could go on....
Frank

On 27 Jun, 2004, at 00:44, Leonard J Kapner wrote:

> Sorry for the intrusion, but this whole issue makes me see red.
>
> When academic administrators are rewarded for managing to a set of 
> numbers
> rather than to the independently inspected quality of their product, 
> we get
> this kind of "felgerkarb" result.
>
> Higher education is the only industry in America (other than politics 
> and
> used car sales) that flourishes, despite the almost universal 
> condemnation
> of the quality of their contribution to the nation's economy.
>
> What is wrong with us??
>
> Maybe I'm just wearing a red filter today...
>
> Len

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