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Subject: [Leica] RE: While it is happening (B. D. Colen)
From: bdcolen at earthlink.net (B. D. Colen)
Date: Mon Jun 21 18:19:38 2004

Okay, forgive my putting the masses in your mouth.. ;-)

As to Leicas getting good cameras into the hands of "the people," I'd
suggest that Leicas getting good cameras into some of the hands of some
of the upper middle class and upper class is more like it. The Leica has
never been a volkskamera.... ;-)


Leica brought good cameras into the hands of the upper middle class and
wealthy, how's that? 

Yes, disposables made cameras "throw away," but that doesn't mean that
the images produced are considered "throw away" by those who make them.
Actually, the disposable camera is very close in concept to the original
Kodak which one sent to Kodak to have the film processed and replaced.
My point about disposables is that I think they put photography into the
hands of many people who didn't previously own cameras or take photos.

Now, as to the proliferation of writing tools improving writing...I
think just the opposite may be true. While Email is probably causing
more people to communicate in writing, the quality of writing today has
markedly deteriorated over that of a few decades ago, and appears to be
going nowhere but downhill.

My point about digital photography perhaps improving photography has to
do with the fact that one can shoot and shoot, without worrying about
the cost of film or processing. And, as I said, if one has an eye,
practice does make better if not perfect. I know that I, for one, am
shooting much more for myself using digital than I did with film, simply
because I can afford to.

As to the 2,000 -3,000 years, I think that's pushing things - it didn't
take 2,000-3,000 years to see what impact replacing glass plates with
cut film had - and that's the kind of change I think we're going through
now.

B. D.

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Emanuel Lowi
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:26 PM
To: lug@leica-users.org
Subject: [Leica] RE: While it is happening (B. D. Colen)


B.D., chaver, you've got to read what I write more
carefully.

I never said that Leica was the camera that "brought photography to the
masses." I'd never refer to people as "the masses."

I certainly am aware of Eastman and his Kodak. I wrote
that "Leica in 1925 played a key role in getting good
cameras into the hands of the people." I leave it to
others to defend the proposition that Kodak's cameras
by 1925 were in any way good the way the Leica I(A)
most certainly was.

As for the disposable cameras (another Kodak-type
thing, I believe), they made cameras throw-away, not photography. Most
people only started throwing away their photos right after creation with
the advent of digital.

As for your other point about digital photography
possibly leading to more better photos compared to the
crap that's been produced on film, yeh, that's exactly
what I said. Just like writing -- once the near-sacred
preserve of classes of court scribes - has been
proliferated & maybe improved by the increasing *mass*
of ink-stained wretches with cheap and ever-sharpening
tools. 

A decade away from knowing what digital really means?
Given that history has this funny way of repeating in
its very tedious & predictable way? I say look back
2000-3000 years and see the future in the looking
glass.

Emanuel Lowi
Montreal 


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