[Leica] Slides the cat has gone to kitty heaven

[saganicc at MSKCC.ORG (Saganich, Christopher/Medical Physics)]

Well his arguments are interesting from an ethical policy perspective.  I believe his main point is to create workable policy which will serve life/death decision makers and at the same time address indifference to suffering. Right or wrong these issues are moving forward without clear ethical guidance, so I think the work is important.

Chris Saganich


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All depends on your point of view, Chris. I happen to think he's more
than a little crazy, and have thought so ever since he first published
on the question of parental rights and infants. But he's got an
appointment at Princeton, so he must be right, right? ;-)

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New Topic - Peter Singer

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1175/1_32/53479124/p1/article.jhtml?te
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Always good for some debate.  Not easy to refute his arguments, from a
philosophical perspective anyway.


Chris Saganich


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First, Sam, I do not believe in "animal rights," other than believing
that animals have the 'right' not to be abused. Second, I think that
spending $5,000 on an operation for a pet is a bit nuts. Third, I have
two dogs and two cats, and am undoubtedly too devoted to the dogs and
one of the cats - the other is a nasty pest who has been foisted on me
;-)  However, I also believe that -

As Doug notes, expending money and emotions on pets does not exclude
expending both on improving the lot of humans; 

The fact that some people treat their pets better than some other people
treat their children suggests that some people should have children, not
that some people shouldn't have pets;

It takes far more effort, commitment, and risk to oneself to travel to
Africa to photograph the fly covered child - even if one is returning to
a Volvo and pet - than it does to write a check to Save The Children;

While I wonder what magnet is buried beneath the moral compass of those
who devote their lives to the welfare of chickens, literally equating
pigs and human children, I also wonder about those who make sweeping
moral judgments about people devoted to pets. Mankind, after all, has
had pets of one sort or another almost as long there has been mankind.
And there has also been poverty and injustice all that time. Somehow, I
don't think one is in any way the cause of the other.

B. D.



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Sam
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I did not say they were not giving. I implied the $5000 pet operation is

immoral because it's being spent on a beast rather than a human being. A

beast who exists merely to amuse its owners. I would further state that 
bloated babies have a moral right to the $5000 in lieu of the beast.

Sam S



Douglas M. Sharp wrote:

> ...
> I'm sure whoever can afford $5000 for a vet and drive a Volvo is 
> financially well enough off to donate to charities too. Who says that 
> the pet owners are not giving too, does one exclude the other ?? 
> Douglas
>
>
> Sam schrieb:
>
>> To some, the death of a pet is akin to the death of a child, and to 
>> others the emotional resources and money spent on animals is a
>> scandal. If the time and energy spent taking care of pets was 
>> expended on visiting the abandoned sick and aged, or the money spent 
>> on having a pet operated on was paid into the medical account of an 
>> uninsured sick and needy human being, so much suffering could be 
>> alleviated. It baffles me when someone fains concern (many times via 
>> documentary photography) for, example, a bloated, fly covered, 
>> starving African child, and then rushes in the Volvo to the Vets to 
>> have the dog operated on for cancer at a cost of $5,000. Vanity pets 
>> have no place in a world of suffering human beings.
>>
>> Sam S
>>
>>
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