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Subject: [Leica] a new one
From: grduprey at (
Date: Mon Apr 12 13:09:03 2004

And just how do we non smokers deal with smokers in public businesses?
Stop breathing?  In Iowa all restaurants are smoking, so we have no choice.
Sure they have no smoking sections, but when the smoking section is the
next isle over (in most cases), we still get bombarded with the smoke.
There was a Denny's here in CR, that when you entered you immediately were
hit with a heavy cloud of smoke from smokers.  We left, it took over an
hour to get rid the of the smell.  The place is no longer in business.
This is no small issue if you have allergies.

It is interesting the NY Times last week reported that since the no smoking
ban went into effect, the business at NY restaurants has increased. ;-)


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I made the ashtray series. And I smoke.
And I know smoking kills. And you don't have to try to convince me to stop.
However, when I smoke, and if in presence of others, I always ask if it
bothers them. And if it does, I just don't smoke. Even if this implies not
smoking in my own home, having a non-smoking wife and kids with unspoiled
lungs. It's not because I have a habit that I have to confront others
-beloved ones or not- with it.
But going as far as banning it (and thus -logically- all other soft, hard,
medium, kinda, possible,... drugs) seems one bridge too far for me: I
strongly believe in encouraging people to take their own responsabilities.

Philippe A. Orlent

> From: "Jeffery Smith" <>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <>
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:13:57 -0500
> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <>
> Subject: RE: [Leica] a new one
> I vote for banning. Then we can focus our attention on us instead of
> meddling in everyone else's affairs. Dubya was (is) an alcoholic. Who
> better to lead the charge than a recovering alcoholic?
> Jeffery Smith
> New Orleans, LA
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [] On Behalf Of animal
> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 7:16 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] a new one
> Banning some drugs does not make any sense as long as alcoholic drinks
> are
> legal.
> There is no doubt whatsoever that alcohol causes more harm then all
> others
> combined.
> Also find it odd  people here who can openly smoke a joint  would end up
> in
> jail in the USA.
> simon jessurun
> amsterdam
> the netherlands
>> I would legalise all or ban all drugs. Prohibition, and the continued
>> import and wealth of illegal drug dealers, prove that making something
>> illegal does not stop people doing it - particularly if they like it.
>> Hunting rare cats stopped only when it became unfashionable to wear
>> their fur, not by campaigns telling people not to do it.
>> The anti narcotics antics of governments are pointless as long as
> there
>> is demand - there will be supply, only the price will change.
>> The problem with smoking is the smell. I like lots of smokers. The
>> problem is that a smoking area in a room is about as effective as a
>> pissing area in a swimming pool - sooner or later everybody gets it.
>> Frank
>> On 11 Apr 2004, at 11:14, Sam wrote:
>>> My motto is "Smoke 'till ya choke." The problem is that the
>>> thought/action/don't-even-think-it police are out of control. In NYC
> a
>>> shop owner does not have the right to allow smoking, even if it's a
>>> tavern.
>>> B.D.'s statement that if we allow one drug (smoking) we must allow
> all
>>> drugs is not well thought out. I wonder why he did not use alcohol
> as
>>> his example (hiccup!). Certainly alcohol kills more innocent people
>>> than smoking.
>>> I like smokers. These flawed human beings are a breath of fresh air
>>> :)  in relation to the self-indulgent, imposing jackasses who are
>>> always busy getting other people to do something they don't want to
>>> do, or to not do something they want to do.
>>> Happy Easter, Passover--
>>> Sam S
>>> Tina Manley wrote:
>>>> At 07:12 PM 4/6/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>> Face it - people who smoke are drug addicts. And unless you favor
> the
>>>>> legalization of all currently illegal narcotic substances, you're
>>>>> being
>>>>> a hypocrite to whine about smoker's rights and the 'persecution'
> of
>>>>> smokers.
>>>>> B. D.
>>>> I'm back after a week in Kentucky.  There seem to be more die-hard
>>>> smokers in Kentucky (where lots of tobacco is grown) than even in
>>>> North Carolina (where all of the tobacco companies are based).  We
>>>> stopped at one antique store that had a prominent sign outside
>>>> "Smokers Welcome!"  I knew I shouldn't have gone in, but my husband
>>>> was looking for antique light fixtures.  As soon as we walked in my
>>>> sinuses plugged up and I got a headache.  There is no way I would
>>>> have bought anything in that store.  There were several books I
> would
>>>> have been interested in, but they were infused with the smell of
>>>> stale smoke.  There is no way to get that smell out of books.
>>>> Smokers have the freedom to smoke in their own homes and stores and
> I
>>>> have the right to refuse to buy anything they are selling.
>>>> Tina
>>>> Tina Manley, ASMP
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