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Subject: [Leica] a new one OT alert...
From: sam at osheaven.net (Sam)
Date: Sun Apr 11 13:33:45 2004
References: <000401c41ff8$cda77230$7e6b0e44@newukolbqveo9i>

I think the problem lies not with smokers, but with insurance companies 
and doctors who have traded their souls for the almighty dollar.

Sam S


Jeffery Smith wrote:

>Smoking in the same room is not the only problem that smokers create for
>non-smokers. They also drive our medical insurance rates up because of
>serious smoking-related illnesses. Even if insurance companies give
>non-smokers a price break, it doesn't offset the medical costs of
>smokers. Rather than legislate smoking, how about just denying any
>medical coverage for smoking-related illnesses? If they are going to be
>self-destructive, why should we pay to repair their own destruction.
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>We don't allow smoking in the buildings at my college, so the smokers
>take several 10-minute breaks every hour while the rest of us continue
>to work. Do you suppose they would be willing to work 10-hour days to
>offset all of their quality smoking time? Naw, we can't legislate that.
>Let's just live with it.
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>Jeffery Smith
>New Orleans, LA
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: lug-bounces+jls=runbox.com@leica-users.org
>[mailto:lug-bounces+jls=runbox.com@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Sam
>Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 1:50 PM
>To: Leica Users Group
>Subject: Re: [Leica] a new one OT alert...
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>You didn't parse the message the way I intended. The 'self-indulgent, 
>imposing jackass' I spoke of are those who would legislate smoking. Now,
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>I don't know you and you hide behind a screen name, but allow me to 
>suggest that if you ingest pornography on the Internet you have one hell
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>of a nerve worrying about whether your clothes stink.
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>Sam S
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>>But I *don't* understand the implication in your first post that a non
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>>smoker who is trying to avoid having his clothes smell smoky is a 
>>'self-indulgent, imposing jackass' while the smoker who is trying to 
>>have a smoke while making the other guy's clothes smell smoky is not a
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>>'self-indulgent, imposing jackass'.    One is imposing on the other in
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>>each case.
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>>What's the difference?
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>>On Apr 11, 2004, at 10:56 AM, Sam wrote:
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>>>Do you understand the difference between personal behavior and 
>>>legislated behavior? I've been both a smoker and, for the past 25 
>>>years, a non-smoker. When I smoked, I would ask if smoking bothered 
>>>the people I was with before I lit up. Some gracious non-smokers 
>>>would consent to my smoking even though their clothing might take on 
>>>the odor of tobacco.  One might well conclude that such forbearance 
>>>was the result of my effervescent personality. Being in my presence 
>>>while I puffed on a cancer stick, surely causing that person to go 
>>>home to loved ones reeking of Havana, certainly is a testimonial to 
>>>my pleasantness of spirit. Which brings me to another matter. 
>>>Militant non-smokers are humorless. It stands to reason, of course, 
>>>that anyone who wants to live to be 112 years old would become surly 
>>>at the mere hint of lung smoke. I once lived in the same apartment 
>>>building as an activist non-smoker. He woke up each morning--rain or 
>>>shine-- at 5am and went for a run. One morning while jogging upstairs
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>>>from his run, he dropped dead of a heart attack. I was the person who
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>>>found him. I do confess to this list that there is a very dark side 
>>>of me. For a moment upon seeing the body, I had an almost 
>>>uncontrollable temptation to place a lit cigarette in his mouth--or 
>>>his a*s.
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>>>Sam S
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>>>sdp35 wrote:
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>>>>So let me see if I understand...a non smoker is a "self-indulgent, 
>>>>imposing jackasses who are always busy getting other people to do 
>>>>something they don't want to do, or to not do something they want to
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>>>>do." but a smoker forcing a non smoker to  "to do something they 
>>>>don't want to do, or to not do something they want to do" i.e. to 
>>>>have the non smoker's clothing smell like the smoker's smoke, is not
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>>>>a self indulgent, imposing jackass?
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>>>>Not sure I see the difference...
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>>>>CZ
>>>>NC
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>>>>On Apr 11, 2004, at 6:14 AM, Sam wrote:
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>>>>>My motto is "Smoke 'till ya choke." The problem is that the 
>>>>>thought/action/don't-even-think-it police are out of control. In 
>>>>>NYC a shop owner does not have the right to allow smoking, even if 
>>>>>it's a tavern.
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>>>>>B.D.'s statement that if we allow one drug (smoking) we must allow 
>>>>>all drugs is not well thought out. I wonder why he did not use 
>>>>>alcohol as his example (hiccup!). Certainly alcohol kills more 
>>>>>innocent people than smoking.
>>>>>I like smokers. These flawed human beings are a breath of fresh 
>>>>>air  :)  in relation to the self-indulgent, imposing jackasses who 
>>>>>are always busy getting other people to do something they don't 
>>>>>want to do, or to not do something they want to do.
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>>>>>Happy Easter, Passover--
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>>>>>Sam S
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>>>>>>At 07:12 PM 4/6/2004 -0400, you wrote:
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>>>>>>>Face it - people who smoke are drug addicts. And unless you favor
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>>>>>>>legalization of all currently illegal narcotic substances, you're
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>>>>>>>a hypocrite to whine about smoker's rights and the 'persecution'
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>>>>>>>B. D.
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>>>>>>I'm back after a week in Kentucky.  There seem to be more die-hard
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>>>>>>smokers in Kentucky (where lots of tobacco is grown) than even in 
>>>>>>North Carolina (where all of the tobacco companies are based).  We
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>>>>>>stopped at one antique store that had a prominent sign outside 
>>>>>>"Smokers Welcome!"  I knew I shouldn't have gone in, but my 
>>>>>>husband was looking for antique light fixtures.  As soon as we 
>>>>>>walked in my sinuses plugged up and I got a headache.  There is no
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>>>>>>way I would have bought anything in that store.  There were 
>>>>>>several books I would have been interested in, but they were 
>>>>>>infused with the smell of stale smoke.  There is no way to get 
>>>>>>that smell out of books.  Smokers have the freedom to smoke in 
>>>>>>their own homes and stores and I have the right to refuse to buy 
>>>>>>anything they are selling.
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>>>>>>Tina
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>>>>>>Tina Manley, ASMP
>>>>>>www.tinamanley.com
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