Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/04/11
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I think the problem lies not with smokers, but with insurance companies and doctors who have traded their souls for the almighty dollar. Sam S Jeffery Smith wrote: >Smoking in the same room is not the only problem that smokers create for >non-smokers. They also drive our medical insurance rates up because of >serious smoking-related illnesses. Even if insurance companies give >non-smokers a price break, it doesn't offset the medical costs of >smokers. Rather than legislate smoking, how about just denying any >medical coverage for smoking-related illnesses? If they are going to be >self-destructive, why should we pay to repair their own destruction. > >We don't allow smoking in the buildings at my college, so the smokers >take several 10-minute breaks every hour while the rest of us continue >to work. Do you suppose they would be willing to work 10-hour days to >offset all of their quality smoking time? Naw, we can't legislate that. >Let's just live with it. > >Jeffery Smith >New Orleans, LA > > >-----Original Message----- >From: lug-bounces+jls=runbox.com@leica-users.org >[mailto:lug-bounces+jls=runbox.com@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Sam >Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 1:50 PM >To: Leica Users Group >Subject: Re: [Leica] a new one OT alert... > >You didn't parse the message the way I intended. The 'self-indulgent, >imposing jackass' I spoke of are those who would legislate smoking. Now, > >I don't know you and you hide behind a screen name, but allow me to >suggest that if you ingest pornography on the Internet you have one hell > >of a nerve worrying about whether your clothes stink. > >Sam S > > >sdp35 wrote: > > > >>But I *don't* understand the implication in your first post that a non >> >> > > > >>smoker who is trying to avoid having his clothes smell smoky is a >>'self-indulgent, imposing jackass' while the smoker who is trying to >>have a smoke while making the other guy's clothes smell smoky is not a >> >> > > > >>'self-indulgent, imposing jackass'. One is imposing on the other in >> >> > > > >>each case. >> >>What's the difference? >> >>On Apr 11, 2004, at 10:56 AM, Sam wrote: >> >> >> >>>Do you understand the difference between personal behavior and >>>legislated behavior? I've been both a smoker and, for the past 25 >>>years, a non-smoker. When I smoked, I would ask if smoking bothered >>>the people I was with before I lit up. Some gracious non-smokers >>>would consent to my smoking even though their clothing might take on >>>the odor of tobacco. One might well conclude that such forbearance >>>was the result of my effervescent personality. Being in my presence >>>while I puffed on a cancer stick, surely causing that person to go >>>home to loved ones reeking of Havana, certainly is a testimonial to >>>my pleasantness of spirit. Which brings me to another matter. >>>Militant non-smokers are humorless. It stands to reason, of course, >>>that anyone who wants to live to be 112 years old would become surly >>>at the mere hint of lung smoke. I once lived in the same apartment >>>building as an activist non-smoker. He woke up each morning--rain or >>>shine-- at 5am and went for a run. One morning while jogging upstairs >>> >>> > > > >>>from his run, he dropped dead of a heart attack. I was the person who >>> >>> > > > >>>found him. I do confess to this list that there is a very dark side >>>of me. For a moment upon seeing the body, I had an almost >>>uncontrollable temptation to place a lit cigarette in his mouth--or >>>his a*s. >>> >>>Sam S >>> >>> >>>sdp35 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>So let me see if I understand...a non smoker is a "self-indulgent, >>>>imposing jackasses who are always busy getting other people to do >>>>something they don't want to do, or to not do something they want to >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>do." but a smoker forcing a non smoker to "to do something they >>>>don't want to do, or to not do something they want to do" i.e. to >>>>have the non smoker's clothing smell like the smoker's smoke, is not >>>> >>>> > > > >>>>a self indulgent, imposing jackass? >>>> >>>>Not sure I see the difference... >>>> >>>>CZ >>>>NC >>>> >>>>On Apr 11, 2004, at 6:14 AM, Sam wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>My motto is "Smoke 'till ya choke." The problem is that the >>>>>thought/action/don't-even-think-it police are out of control. In >>>>>NYC a shop owner does not have the right to allow smoking, even if >>>>>it's a tavern. >>>>> >>>>>B.D.'s statement that if we allow one drug (smoking) we must allow >>>>>all drugs is not well thought out. I wonder why he did not use >>>>>alcohol as his example (hiccup!). Certainly alcohol kills more >>>>>innocent people than smoking. >>>>>I like smokers. These flawed human beings are a breath of fresh >>>>>air :) in relation to the self-indulgent, imposing jackasses who >>>>>are always busy getting other people to do something they don't >>>>>want to do, or to not do something they want to do. >>>>> >>>>>Happy Easter, Passover-- >>>>> >>>>>Sam S >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Tina Manley wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>At 07:12 PM 4/6/2004 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Face it - people who smoke are drug addicts. And unless you favor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>legalization of all currently illegal narcotic substances, you're >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>being >>>>>>>a hypocrite to whine about smoker's rights and the 'persecution' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >of > > >>>>>>>smokers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>B. D. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm back after a week in Kentucky. There seem to be more die-hard >>>>>> >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>smokers in Kentucky (where lots of tobacco is grown) than even in >>>>>>North Carolina (where all of the tobacco companies are based). We >>>>>> >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>stopped at one antique store that had a prominent sign outside >>>>>>"Smokers Welcome!" I knew I shouldn't have gone in, but my >>>>>>husband was looking for antique light fixtures. As soon as we >>>>>>walked in my sinuses plugged up and I got a headache. There is no >>>>>> >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>way I would have bought anything in that store. There were >>>>>>several books I would have been interested in, but they were >>>>>>infused with the smell of stale smoke. There is no way to get >>>>>>that smell out of books. Smokers have the freedom to smoke in >>>>>>their own homes and stores and I have the right to refuse to buy >>>>>>anything they are selling. >>>>>> >>>>>>Tina >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Tina Manley, ASMP >>>>>>www.tinamanley.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>Leica Users Group. >>>>>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> >>>>>> >information > > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>Leica Users Group. >>>>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> >>>>> >information > > >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Leica Users Group. >>>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Leica Users Group. >>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Leica Users Group. >>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > >