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Subject: RE: [Leica] Digilux 2 short hands-on test
From: Daniel Ridings <daniel.ridings@muspro.uio.no>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:50:02 +0100 (MET)
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FOTO (a German magazine) compared the Panasonic DMC-LC1 (Digilux 2) to the
Olympus C-5060 (Olympus came out every so slightly on top ... but that
doesn't say much. I don't care much for reviews).

In the process they mention the Digilux 2. They write that the Panasonic
comes with: 16mb SD-Card, Photoimpression, Photobase and Panorama Maker
from Arcsoft and SD Viewer.

The Digilux 2 comes with: 64mb card, ACD See, Photoshop Elements 2.0,
software to control the camera over USB and for RAW-conversion Silverfast
DC from Lasersoft.

What does that add up to? As Groucho would say: DamFyNo.

Daniel


On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Daniel Ridings wrote:

> I don't know if it matters much .. but in the German magazine "Foto" this
> month they pointed out the difference (didn't mention a warranty
> difference). It seems that they come with different software bundles (not
> software in the cameras, but software you can use on your computer). The
> Leica came with more, I remember that much, but if someone wants the
> details, I can dig out the article. Something about software to deal with
> RAW files coming with the Leica version (I think it was some kind of
> packaged Silverfast software).
>
> Daniel
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, B. D. Colen wrote:
>
> > Of course it's not worth the difference, Jerry - I was attempting
> > sarcasm - I'll spell it out next time. There was recently a lonnnng
> > discussion somewhere, I believe here, about the fact that the color
> > prefs may be very slightly different in the Leica version, which is
> > color-tuned for aryan preferences, v. the Panasonic, which is tuned
> > toward the brighter hues apparantly favored in the Asian markets. But
> > the bottom line is they are the same bleeping cameras.....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jerry
> > Lehrer
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:55 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Digilux 2 short hands-on test
> >
> >
> > BD
> >
> > Not really, but are the electronics and software the same.  I don't give
> > a FRA about red dots, usw.
> >
> > jerry
> >
> > "B. D. Colen" wrote:
> >
> > > Jerry asked of the Digi2 ---
> > > Exactly how does this camera compare with the Panasonic equivalent,
> > > except for the red dot?
> > > ----
> > > It costs about $300 more...And, oh, ya, it has a red dot, silver trim,
> >
> > > and an oh-so-very-slightly different body curves. Definitely worth
> > > $300 more.
> > >
> > > B. D.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jerry
> > > Lehrer
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 6:06 PM
> > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Digilux 2 short hands-on test
> > >
> > > LUGers
> > >
> > > Today I also had my first experience with this camera.  Our local
> > > dealer has a demonstrator Dig. 2, and I spent 30 minutes with it.
> > > Quite versatile.  I can probably get it over a Sunday, but my computer
> >
> > > can't handle it. (Windows 3.1, non pentium 386, 8meg RAM).
> > >
> > > I was impressed by how much cropping and sizing can be done in the
> > > camera, but maybe other cameras can do this.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > Leicajay@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > My local dealer got a Digilux2 for a customer yesterday and I had
> > > > the chance to handle it while he was there to pick it up.  I was
> > > > surprised
> > >
> > > > at the size, it is about 30% thicker (deeper) than an M camera, and
> > > > sized between a CL and an M but closer to an M (we had both for
> > > > comparison in the store).  It's also *heavy* for a non-DSLR, the
> > > > heaviest P&S digicam I've ever held.  Finish is really nice
> > > > pseudo-Leica, much nicer than the Miniluxes.  The lens (according to
> >
> > > > the store owner, I forgot to verify this, sounds fishy) takes a 69mm
> >
> > > > filter????  The electronic viewfinder is not as bad as ones I've
> > > > seen in the past (Minolta Dimage 7Hi, Nikon 5700) but it ain't no
> > > > rangefinder.  The zigzag built-in flash  has great features but a
> > > > complicated deployment that could be troublesome, time will tell.
> > > > The
> > >
> > > > manual-camera-type interface is a welcome relief from the multiple
> > > > pushbuttons, dials and LCD menus which must be memorized in order to
> >
> > > > work other digicam P&S's.  The coverage of the le!
> > > !
> > > >  ns!
> > > >  is really a perfect range for the type of general snapshooting,
> > > travel-documentation, etc photography this camera will probably be
> > > used for by 90% of its (most likely very small # of) buyers and the
> > > extensive depth of field at even the "equivalent" 90mm end (actually
> > > 22.7mm) might be useful for that kind of shooting.  But if you like to
> >
> > > emphasize a subject against an OOF background, forget it, it's
> > > impossible (well maybe there's a way to cheat and do it in Photoshop,
> > > I wouldn't know). Will I buy one:  in a word, no.  It's $350 more than
> >
> > > a Canon 10D, which I *can* use selective DOF and a whole host of
> > > interchangeable lenses and which has a much larger chip.  At 5MP with
> > > a postage-stamp sized chip the Digilux 2 is already way behind the
> > > curve, as the latest digicam P&S's which cost a lot less are coming in
> >
> > > at 8MP.  And with the Epson-Bessa M-mount digicam in the offing, and a
> >
> > > real Leica M digital confirmed, I will wait.  The Digilux 2 looks and
> > > feels very nice, if it were u! !
> > > >  nd!
> > > > er $1000 I'd probably buy one, but not for $1850, no way.
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Replies: Reply from "Eric" <ericm@pobox.com> ([Leica] Re: Digilux 2 short hands-on test)
In reply to: Message from "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> (RE: [Leica] Digilux 2 short hands-on test)
Message from Daniel Ridings <daniel.ridings@muspro.uio.no> (RE: [Leica] Digilux 2 short hands-on test)