Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/02/10

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Digital M
From: Slobodan Dimitrov <>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 08:42:43 -0800

Now if they made it in the size of the old M5, they just might be able to
fit a full frame sensor.
S. Dimitrov

> From: "B. D. Colen" <>
> Reply-To:
> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:08:58 -0500
> To: <>
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Digital M
> Just a couple brief things -
> I don't think anyone is happy with 1.5 - or 1.3 for that matter - Mark,
> they're just stuck with it. ;-) I want to use my lenses at the focal
> length they were designed as, not at some compromise focal length.
> Also, why is 30.5mm a "good place to be?" It is if you want a 30? It
> isn't if you want to shoot with a 21, or a 28, or a 35 - it's a weird
> place to be. One of the big problems with the idea of a Leica M that's
> less than full frame is precisely the fact that there won't be any
> lenses wider than 30.5 - unless one goes to the Cosina superwides, which
> are terrific for what they are, but are hardly Leica 21 2.8 ASPHs, or
> Summicron 28 ASPHs.....
> A digital M could probably make it with a multipication factor, but it
> would hardly be ideal.
> B. D.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [] On Behalf Of Mark
> Rabiner
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 11:07 PM
> To: leica-users
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Digital M
> On 2/8/04 12:04 PM, "" <> wrote:
>> The fact that the story stated that the sensor would use microlenses
>> to correct the angle of the light rays hitting the extreme edges of
>> the array indicates that they are trying to obtain a full frame
>> result. On the Kodak sensor used in the digital R individual pixel
>> elements are located at the bottom of shallow wells. The grazing angle
>> of light at the edges was the primary reason given
>> for the "impossibility" of developing a digital M.
>> Larry Z
>> --
> I think the microlenses might help them go 1.3, not full frame. The
> thing world look like a sea fish on the bottom of the ocean full frame.
> The R system back will take us to 1.3 and that to me is above and beyond
> the call of duty.
> 1.5 has become a standard that people kind of like and are kind of
> settled in on.. If they went 1.5 I'd be ok with it and I'm sure so would
> they people with money who've not traded in their M systems for DSLR's
> yet.
> At 1.5 magnification with my 21 ASPH gives me a 31.5mm focal length in
> effect lens. That's halfway between a 28 and a 35. A pretty happy place
> to be. I wonder how a compact non retrofocal Schneider super Angulon 3.5
> would work with these peripheral advanced sensors? A lot of Cosina 15's
> will be sold and 12's even. But the need for an 18 will come up. Giving
> you a 27 with a 1.5 mag. Or 23.4mm if they do go 1.3.
> Gee if this new microlens technology DOES make it possible to go full
> frame on an M why not sneak it into the R back last minute. The already
> claimed 10 mg file size is plenty ample and roomy and will end up not
> even being used by many. It is already a close match up against the full
> frame Canon Eos1ds which is 11.1.  1.1 megs is negligible. 10 against
> 11.1 is a match. It would be the quality of the pixels that would make
> the difference. Glass and a myriad of other factors.
> But if the R back can all of a sudden go full frame They could perhaps
> jump up the max file size to leapfrog the full frame Canon by quite a
> bit. But I think once you go over ten though you might as well think of
> it as medium format photography done with 35mm style DSLR's. People sell
> their Hasselblad systems for 1.5 mag DSLR systems.
> Leica could very soon fool a lot of people and become quite competitive
> quite fast. People will invest in their glass. Forsaking the totally
> foreseeable autofocus, a minor feature when one considers everything
> else which is going on in digital hardware, software and photography.
> As people zoom into their images on their monitor it may be that they
> may become much more appreatitive of their glass. Appreciating glass as
> a key factor in what they are studying and working with at 1600 X
> magnification. Because it is.
> Mark Rabiner
> Photography
> Portland, Oregon
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