RE: [Leica] Film "died" for me this week

["B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>]

Nice stuff, Ernie - I love "famous actor taunting my mother!" BTW -
Isn't the Broadmore the "The Shinning" hotel?

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[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Ernest
Nitka
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:19 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Film "died" for me this week


John - reread Rabiner's Rabid Redux :)  Found it interesting as you did 
- - Mark I agree with much of what you have written about.  On the other 
hand I too have fallen under the spell of digital and present for 
amusement

http://www.enitka.com/colorado.html

taken with digital elph.   I still love my M but sometimes digital is 
ok.  The new leica digital is too much $.  The elph plus my Apple iBook 
are the same as the digilux.  I'll stick with my combo

ernie

enitka@twcny.rr.com
Ernestnitka@aol.com
www.enitka.com
On Feb 4, 2004, at 9:07 AM, John Collier wrote:

> Mark is one of the hidden gems of the LUG. At first as a new
> subscriber to the Leica "equipment" list you do not understand where 
> he is coming from. You find yourself puzzling on what the heck he is 
> talking about. Then you suddenly realize he is, and only ever is, 
> talking about photography. Mountains of cold bright sliver and nebula 
> sized dye clouds firmly affixed to film and paper are what interests 
> him.
>
> It keeps me quiet for a while and has me only commenting on what I
> know and wishing it was more than it is.
>
> John Collier
>
> On Feb 4, 2004, at 5:00 AM, sam wrote:
>
>> I almost skimmed & passed your post because it is long. I'm glad I
>> read the whole thing through. It's going into my save box.
>>
>> Sam S
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>> This of course is a real pain in the ass thing to say on the Leica
>>> Users
>>> List but when this kind of post happens I wonder and my question 
>>> often has
>>> been this in effect:
>>> How much died?
>>> Was he a great person with a great future? A great loss?
>>> How tragic of a thing are we really talking about here?
>>> Perhaps this person was slight and is finally being put to of a long

>>> drawn
>>> out misery.
>>> We should cry a whole lot less maybe.
>>> Are we having a big funeral for what lets face it had been a fairly 
>>> small
>>> commitment in the first place? I hope not!
>>> Had they been in their darkroom cranking out 16x20's every weekend 
>>> and now
>>> they're ratcheting out even more exquisite reams of A3's instead as 
>>> they
>>> answer their email?
>>> Had they been shooting a brick of Kodachrome every week but now 
>>> wearing a
>>> necklace of compact flash cards around their neck like dog tags?
>>> When you see a post like this it strongly implies the PROCESS let 
>>> them down.
>>> Has been proved mediocre.
>>> The new one is taking over as it reigns supreme.
>>> This implies strongly the strength in the new technology and the 
>>> weakness in
>>> the old.
>>> But when I ask if I get an answer it's amazingly often a sheepish 
>>> "No they'd
>>> not really been using their cameras that much anyway for quite some 
>>> time.
>>> The darkroom had been sitting mainly dormant.
>>> They have no real body of work
>>> No stack of prints to show friends when they come over.
>>> No "book" as in prints stuck in pages.
>>> No tray (round of 80 slides to stick on a projector). Or Pages of 
>>> slides or
>>> in boards.
>>> No website.
>>> Nothing uploaded much of anywhere.
>>> Not much of nothin.
>>> They are 4x6" once every month or so minilab for the most part 
>>> people.
>>> So I wonder; How much Tri X had he been shooting?.
>>> ...Before giving it up for charge coupled devices.
>>> Did they have so much Dektol in your blood that now they're going to

>>> go cold
>>> turkey? !!
>>> I'm just guessing no -
>>> It's a new hobby to replace one that wasnąt really there.
>>> Two dozen lenses? That's a sure clue.
>>> Of the two dozen pro's I know personally locally and globally none 
>>> of them
>>> come close to using or owning Two dozen Leica lenses for their 
>>> shooting that
>>> I can think of.
>>> Is this the death of a Leica shooter?
>>> Because it just sounds like a funeral for a Leica collector or Leica

>>> buyer
>>> and seller. A Leica dabbler.
>>> 24 lenses!
>>> That's 3 times 8!
>>> 4 times 6!
>>> Enough glass for 3 4 5 6 committed Leica shooters!
>>> How anyone can look me straight in the face and put out the phrase 
>>> "Canon
>>> Rebel with the $100 18-55mm lens." as a balance of some kind against

>>> a more
>>> than abundant setup of Leica gear is beyond me!!! What could be the
>>> correlation between one of those cheap plastic zoom lenses and any 
>>> Leica
>>> glass ever made including wale blubber incrusted?
>>> ...A "Rebel" against an M or R? How do they in any way relate?
>>> Opposites perhaps? That's pretty simple actually!
>>> But as I said earlier when someone says they're going digital now I 
>>> say:
>>> "Really how lovely!!!"
>>> "Lets look at your prints!!!!!!"
>>> I love to see how the two technologies compare.
>>> I LOVE to see how the new A3's (11.7x16.5") and letter sized prints 
>>> stack up
>>> against the old thick 11x14's and 8x10's.
>>> They stick out on all sides by about 3/4s of an inch and get all 
>>> crinkled at
>>> the edges that's how!
>>> I think plenty of people who struggled in the darkroom do fine at 
>>> their
>>> computer. Maybe printing now for the first time.
>>> But also very much visa versa.
>>> They are just tools put into the hands of the unskilled and 
>>> uncommitted to
>>> produce very casual results. Hopefully to be traded for something 
>>> else
>>> sooner than later. And without making a Federal case out of it.
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