Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/02/03

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Terminal something or other
From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@btinternet.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 08:22:44 +0000

I agree very much with this BD. Anybody can (and sadly do) just "push 
the button" it takes an artist's eye to see the photograph before 
taking it and getting the composition. The "craft" side of photography 
has been made easier by the automation and certainly the modern sports 
pros I know need nowhere near the craft skills of their fathers 
(literally, in a couple of cases I know father and son) but if they 
don't have the eye they produce dross.
I guess the same is true in painting and sculpture but the automation 
of the craftmanship side is much less.
cheers
G
Frank

On Monday, February 2, 2004, at 07:51  pm, B. D. Colen wrote:

> First off, I'd like to apologize for the slap at your wife; I realized
> after I pushed the button that I had, uh, over-reacted.
>
> However - I get really tired of that button pusher line, which is
> basically what one used to hear from reporters about photographers. The
> photographer can be/is just as much an artist, a visionary, as a
> painter. There is no photograph without the photographer seeing the
> possibilities - which, of course, is really the decisive moment -
> working the scene, which can take an instant, or hours or even days,
> deciding when to shoot, how to shoot, framing - and then deciding how 
> to
> print the image.
>
> Best
>
> B. D.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of
> LRZeitlin@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 2:07 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: [Leica] Re: Terminal something or other
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/1/04 10:58:46 PM,
> owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us writes:
>
> << Larry Z. told us that ...
> "When I ask my wife" - who, we are told, makes her own oil paint and
> brushes - "if she would care to use one of my Leicas to take a picture,
> she sniffs "What's the challenge in that? You
> push the button and Kodak does the rest."
>
> Well, I could say something about terminal pretentiousness, but I'll
> restrain myself... ;-)  >>
>
> B. D.,
>
> You are reading too much into my post. I never said my wife makes her
> own
> paints and brushes. She is happy to buy them, thank you. She just 
> feels,
> as most
> fine artists do, that photography is a mechanical art, with the camera
> lens
> doing the heavy lifting. Clearly the choice and framing of a subject is
> the same
> for both media but photographers have the advantage that they do not
> have to
> spend years in learning the eye/hand coordination necessary to apply
> paint to
> canvas. True, they have to learn other things - but painters don't
> concern
> themselves with technology.
>
> Larry Z
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