Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/01/27

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Subject: Re: [Leica] should be Tmax 3200 at 1600/was TriX at 800
From: Feli di Giorgio <feli@creocollective.com>
Date: 27 Jan 2004 10:28:09 -0800
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On Mon, 2004-01-26 at 19:06, Ted Grant wrote:

> Hi Feli,
> If this is true what developer and times do you use when you actually shoot
> these films? Or have you just read something others have said?

I have read a lot of this and done some testing of my own. To me Delta
3200 @ 3200 souped in DD-X looks better than the same in D76. Again for
reason I do not fully understand certain developers only support films
up to a certain speed. Maybe someone with a better technical
understanding of this can chime in and clear things up. 


> 
> I use Neopan 1600 at 1600 and soup it in XTOL 1:1 and get very good results.
> This at 1600, or occasionally @ 3200 I use for indoor shooting and the grain
> is quite good as 11X14 prints.
> 
> However, one is always looking to improve their quality so why would this
> film be sold and advertised as 1600 when in actual fact you say it's really
> 640? Boy in that case I have a great number of massively under exposed
> negatives even though they print very well .

Wasn't Tri-X originally sold by Kodak as a 200asa film, but had plenty
of headroom, so it could be used as a 400asa film? If Delta3200's true
speed is 1200 asa then shooting it at 3200 means it is only being pushed
about 1.5 stops, which should still yield acceptable results. But
shooting Tri-x at 3200 means pushing it a hell of a lot more.

Again, I am not a Zone system-Ansel Adams wanna be shooter who sits
around with a densitometer and approaches his development/printing
methodology like he's preparing for a trip to the moon, but I do
understand the basics and that includes that the less you have to push
or pull a stock to get to the asa you want to be at the better off you
will be.

Feli

> 
> ted
> Ted Grant Photography Limited
> www.islandnet.com/~tedgrant


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In reply to: Message from "Jeffery Smith" <jls@runbox.com> (RE: [Leica] TriX at 800)
Message from Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net> (RE: [Leica] TriX 3200 at 1600/was TriX at 800)
Message from Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net> ([Leica] should be Tmax 3200 at 1600/was TriX at 800)
Message from Feli di Giorgio <feli@creocollective.com> (Re: [Leica] should be Tmax 3200 at 1600/was TriX at 800)
Message from Ted Grant <tedgrant@shaw.ca> (Re: [Leica] should be Tmax 3200 at 1600/was TriX at 800)