Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/12/31

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Subject: Re: [Leica] CONCORDE: Filthy Lucre
From: Alastair Firkin <firkin@ncable.net.au>
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 18:16:26 +1100

Yesssss, you can trust us my precious ;-)

On Wednesday, Dec 31, 2003, at 19:15 Australia/Melbourne, Frank Dernie 
wrote:

> HST is interesting. Whilst I was a member of the H G Wells society at 
> Imperial College, where I was a student 1969-1971. Barnes Wallis gave 
> a lecture annually and in one of them he explained his design and 
> theory behind the HST. His argument was that Australia and New Zealand 
> were the only nations the British could trust so a plane needed 
> designing which could fly between us fast and non stop :-) He was, as 
> always, way ahead of his time technically.
> Frank
>
> On Wednesday, December 31, 2003, at 02:17  am, Marc James Small wrote:
>
>> At 06:12 AM 12/30/03 +0000, Frank Dernie wrote:
>>> It is possibly the development costs which they were talking about, 
>>> but
>>> I don't think it ever made a profit - maybe the information you read 
>>> is
>>> true and that which I read is not but I think not. If they were 
>>> making
>>> a handsome profit why did they stop?
>>> All the information I heard was that Air France never made any money
>>> flying it and BA only on the New York route.
>>
>> Well, check your back-files of THE ECONOMIST for discussion, as they 
>> have
>> covered CONCORDE in great detail since 1967 when it was first a 
>> reality.
>> The UK and France wrote off development costs around 1980 which 
>> allowed BA
>> to claim a profit (never a "handsome" profit, mind you!) for its
>> operational life.  I have no information, and no interest, in Air 
>> France,
>> so I cannot comment on their (probably hamfisted) operation of the 
>> SST.
>>
>> The CONCORDE was grounded due to its age and for no other reason.  The
>> opposition of the US to the CONCORDE was only sour grapes, as our 
>> Congress
>> refused to fund the Boeing SST.  When this occured, the US government
>> immediately went into hull defilade and has never given the CONCORDE 
>> an
>> opportunity to succeed, even going so far as to pressure foreign
>> governments in South-West Asia and Canada to deny the CONCORDE 
>> overflight
>> rights to ensure that no Europe-to-Asia routes were possible -- and 
>> that is
>> where the profits really could be found!
>>
>> Now, the US is proposing a hupersonic transport (HST), a suborbital 
>> craft
>> which could do Vancouver-to-Sydney in under three hours and the 
>> Atlantic in
>> less than an hour.  The Europeans are also working on such an HST.  
>> If the
>> US welches out and the Europeans build it, once again, the US will 
>> attempt
>> to kill it, an awful thing for my government to do.
>>
>> If the HST works, though, us smokers might be more inclined to fly
>> overseas, albeit Heathrow and Dulles D Terminal are the only
>> "smokers-be-damned" airports I have ever been forced to pass through.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> msmall@infionline.net  FAX:  +540/343-7315
>> Cha robh bąs fir gun ghrąs fir!
>>
>>
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