RE: Chomsky Re: [Leica] XXX of the YYY? WAS (something else) (fwd)

["Kit McChesney" <kitmc@acmefoto.com>]

Daniel--

I have read the 9/11 book. It is very good. I think that the work in
linguistics you know because of your profession. Makes perfect sense. 

The bookstores I frequent are usually packed to the gills with his political
work. Many of his works are actually interviews that have been transcribed
and reprinted as book-length manuscripts. Some of his works focus on media
and propaganda, like Manufacturing Consent, and Media Control. All very
interesting. 

Kit

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Kit,
Funny ... I'm the opposite. I know his academic work well, but I've only
been slightly aware of his political activities (mostly that he is
politically active, but hardly anything about the content). From
what I can gather, he is as active there as he used to be in linguistics.
I saw a book yesterday, translated to Swedish, by him about 9/11. I was
almost going to buy it, but decided to try and find the English original
instead.

There seems to be a red thread running through his work ... even the
academic work requires one to think more critically about previously
accepted truths.

I'll have to check out some of his other works ... thanks.

Daniel


On Fri, 28 Nov 2003, Kit McChesney wrote:

> Daniel--
>
> Wow! I appreciate what you've written here, and I also like the close,
that
> Chomsky "doesn't do any harm." I think many people probably aren't all
that
> aware of his academic work in linguistics since he has made his name
> well-known (at least among the progressive crowd) in the political sphere.
> As much as he is known for the academic work, it is more than obvious that
> his true passion lies in people to think more critically about the
> circumstances of our political life in the U.S. post-9/11, and to help
> people see how our media functions as a propaganda machine for the powers
> behind the powers-that-be.
>
> I have to disagree with the person who said that his political writings
are
> banal and bland. But maybe I'd think the same about the work of William F.
> Buckley, Jr.!
>
> Kit
>
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> Subject: Chomsky Re: [Leica] XXX of the YYY? WAS (something else) (fwd)
>
> > Chomsky's seminal academic work was in the 1950's when he developed what
> is
> > now Structural Linguistics as a distinct field.
>
> Far from it. Structural Linguistics had existed as a distinct field before
> Chomsky was born (probably). Bloomfield, Harris (Chomsky's teacher, I
> think)
>
> > And one of the first
> > paradigms he developed for structural linguistics was that the only
> perfect
> > grammar of a language was a compendium of all possible sentences which
> > could be stated in that language.
>
> Sounds like you mean generative linguistics. And it was not a compendium
> (that would be finite), but a set of rules that would "generate" (thus the
> name) all the grammatical sentences of a language and _only_ the
> grammatical sentences (no over generation)
>
> > Traditional linguists hated (and continue to hate) structural
linguistics
> > but it does have a place.
>
> You must be old, Marc. Traditional linguists _are_ the generative school
> (Chomskyaner). You must be thinking of the sixties when the structural
> linguists were thought of as the traditional school.
>
> > And, yes, Chomsky, in his field, is a genius.  I
> > find that his commentaries on political, social, and artistic issues
range
> > from bland to banal.
>
> Oh, I don't know if he is a genius. He's more like a moving target. He has
> his disciples, but in the computer age, his theories are of less
> significance. They have never been implemented. With the wealth of
> electronic information out there that has to be analyzed (witness the
> traffic after 9/11) "toy systems" (based on symbols, or generative
> grammars) just don't cut the mustard. They are intellectually stimulating,
> but they're just toy systems.
>
> According to Chomsky we all speak the same language (the innate human
> ability to use language as a means of communication). He's not interested
> in English or French or German ... because such specific instantiations of
> our innate ability are just haphazard expressions of the language
> competence we have. It's only the innate "language" he wants to get at ...
> the phase before Babel. It's about as realistic as alchemy.
>
> He doesn't do any harm.
>
> Daniel Ridings
>
>
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