Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/10/02

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Subject: RE: [Leica] Closest thing to a Digital M announced today!
From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 15:26:09 -0400

There are already high quality compact digital P&Ss out there...they
just don't look like "salt film cameras."

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Jim Laurel
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:16 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Closest thing to a Digital M announced today!


The encouraging thing about it is the notion of a high quality digital
camera that is compact in size.  I think there is a place in the market
for such a product.  At present, there is no way to have the imaging
quality of a DSLR with the form factor of an M camera.  You either
suffer with slow zooms on P&S digicams, or groan under a 15lb load with
a DSLR + pro grade lenses.  That said, this "digital M" needs a larger
sensor and high pixel count.

- --Jim

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sonny Carter" <sonc@sonc.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Closest thing to a Digital M announced today!


> The camera is only M-like in a few features.  Seems we take our
impressions
> (get our hopes up)  from the subject line.   I see it as a direct
competitor
> to d-slr cameras, like Oly, fuji, and some Sony's.  Probably the 
> Digilux 2 rather than a Leica DM.
>
> This camera is an evolved LC5  with features unavailable on a fixed 
> zoom camera up until now.
>
> I still have it a little narrower than an M, but thicker due to the 
> size
of
> the lens.
>
> S.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Closest thing to a Digital M announced today!
>
>
> > I'm not suggesting that an electronic viewfinder is bad at all - 
> > only that it is not "M-like."
> >
> > Also, if it's not a digital M in terms of form, function, and 
> > interchangeable lenses, it's not a digital M.;-) What it may well be

> > is a terrific digital P&S with high-end capabilities, gussied up so 
> > that, as Babble Fish so charmingly translates it, "it seems like 
> > silver salt film camera. I guess it all comes down to what seems 
> > means, right?
> >
> > As to size, though, Sonny, it sure looks clunkier than an M to me - 
> > but I could be way off base...
> >
> > B. D.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Sonny 
> > Carter
> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:20 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Closest thing to a Digital M announced today!
> >
> >
> > BD opined:
> >
> >
> > > A very intriguing looking camera. I would however, have several 
> > > general questions - 1. Why a digital/electronic camera with a top 
> > > shutter speed of 1000th? Sure, we love our Ms, and the top speed 
> > > is 1000th, but that is a draw-back, not a plus.
> >
> > I see 1/2000th on the wheel
> >
> > > 2. Yes, the lens is designed by Leica, but the whole idea of a 
> > > digital
> >
> > > M would be to use the Leica glass we have and love - which this 
> > > wouldn't let us do.
> >
> > That, doesn't work, as Msr. Brick and others have said.
> >
> > > 3. It looks far bigger and bulkier than an M, which loses part of 
> > > the M appeal.
> >
> > Size wise, the body appears to be about the same as my LC5, which is

> > a little narrower and a little taller than my M6.  I am judging by 
> > size indicators like the flash shoe and logos.
> >
> >
> > > 4. If you're going to go for a pretty hefty digital at an 
> > > undoubtedly hefty price, why not go for a DSLR with 
> > > interchangeable lenses?
> >
> > Price is not indicated.  Probably would compete well in the sub $1k 
> > range
> >
> > >This
> > > doesn't appear to be a real rangefinder any more than the Contax 
> > >G2 is
> >
> > >a  real rangefinder - it's an auto/  "manual" focus digital with a 
> > >window to look through where you see what  you see on the screen.
> >
> > We don't know that yet, it looks like it has an electronic internal 
> > viewfinder besides the LCD.  Those of us who have shot professional 
> > video and professional film know that's not all bad, and can give 
> > you a better indication of the final product than a strictly optical

> > VF can. The electronic VF puts it more into the SLR catagory than 
> > rangefinder.
> >
> >
> > > 5. Why buy a more expensive version with a red-dot on it? Folks 
> > > like Sonny have shown us that not having the red dot doesn't 
> > > degrade image quality a bit.;-)
> >
> > That is true, and I will likely stick to the LC version. and use the

> > money left over for more memory cards.
> > >
> > > All of that said, it is really good looking, and it is too bad 
> > > that Leica doesn't have this lens, as a click stop "zoom" for the 
> > > M - 28 f 2 to 10? F 4? Not bad.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > B. D.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of 
> > > Lucien
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:21 AM
> > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Closest thing to a Digital M announced today!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A really interesting picture of the new Pana-Leica M.
> > >
> > > http://www.photo.net/bboard/big-image?bboard_upload_id=14698684
> > >
> > > Manual zooming, and if wanted, manual focusing and manual aperture

> > > and
> >
> > > speed settings.
> > >
> > > A 28-90 f2,0-2,4;Asph. designed by Leica...
> > >
> > > I wonder what will be the focusing help in manual focusing mode.
> > >
> > > Lucien
> > >
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