Re: [Leica] Shooting question - an Operating Room

[tedgrant@shaw.ca]

Dr.Ernie Nitka offered:
>watching my first surgeries as a 2nd year med student - nothing like 
>gravity to bring you to your senses - although I was lucky to be caught 
> on the way down by a lovely angel of mercy :)<<<<<,

Ernie,

A great insentive to look like one is about to crash and burn. As I've seen some angels I wouldn't mind being grabbed by. ;-)

On the other hand my suggestion to new shooters is, if you start to get squeazy.. get out of the room quickly, sit down on the floor in the hall and put your head between your legs. Just don't crash and burn in the OR cause you'll probably piss off a few people.:-)
ted

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Nitka <enitka@twcny.rr.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: [Leica] Shooting question - an Operating Room

> And I would add to what Jack has said - if your queasy about blood 
> ( or 
> not sure) please try not to see much of it.  Take if from 
> experience 
> > 
> My cure was to have black coffee ( preferrably from a Bunn-o-
> Matic) 
> circulating well before hand.
> 
> ernie
> On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 11:28 AM, Jack McLain wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >> One more thing - once I've got what I need, am I stuck in 
> there? - 
> >> these
> >> operations can go hours I understand.
> >> Steven
> >
> > No, it should'nt be a problem leaving (coming back might be). The
> > Circulating Nurse will often leave for supplies, clinical data, 
> etc.  
> > It is
> > also not unheard of for the surgeon(s) and Scrug Nurse(s) to 
> leave for
> > various reasons during surgery, but they would have to re-scrub 
> before> entering the field. Some operations go on for a L O N G 
> time (neuro in
> > particular) others are over very quickly.
> >
> > I used to be an OR Nurse in a much earlier incarnation.  All the 
> > advice you
> > have been given is right-on; the primary rule is dont touch a 
> damn 
> > thing,
> > dont trip up on sponge buckets, cables, tubes or wires, if you 
> feel 
> > the need
> > to cough, move to the periphery of the room.  The floors can get 
> wet 
> > and
> > slippery.
> >
> > Keep an eye out for what the Circulating Nurse is doing.  More 
> often 
> > than
> > not she will be standing or sitting quietly; if she (or he come 
> to 
> > thnk of
> > it) suddenly gets active, there is the possibility that 
> something 
> > dramatic
> > is going on.  OR Staff are very stoic in demonstrating alarm or 
> > excitement
> > so you might miss body language clues that would be evident in less
> > controlled environments. The activity of the Circulating Nurse 
> is a 
> > good
> > barometer of normality, as is conversation between the 
> > Anesthesiologist and
> > the Surgeon; listen to these conversations for clues.
> >
> > I would be circumspect about photographing the face of the 
> patient 
> > (but that
> > is obvious I'm sure).
> >
> > I sould suggest actually speaking with the Surgeon in Charge 
> prior to 
> > the
> > surgery and ask for an explanation of what to expect (and what 
> he 
> > expects of
> > you).  Surgeons are notoriously egocentric, and LOVE to talk about
> > themselves and the importantce of their work.
> >
> > good luck
> > Jack McLain
> > Tucson, AZ
> > http://jackmclain-photography.dotcommunity.net
> >
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