Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/08/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]David - I use and enjoy Leica Ms; three M6s, two Abrahamson winders, four Leica lenses and one Cosina lens. They are part of my photo tool kit. But I own them not because they are Leicas, but because they are the best rangefinder cameras I could find, and they fit my shooting style. My interest in photography is an interest in - photography. I want to create outstanding images, and hope that once and a while I succeed. I want to share my images with people with an interest in - photography. I want to look at outstanding images, and care not with what they are shot, because I know enough about photography to understand what counts is the image, no the camera used to capture it. I also know enough about photography to know that I can improve my own images by studying the images of others, no matter what they were shot with. I chose to belong to this list because I share with people on this list the use of Leica cameras, and because I have a number of friends here. I am here because this is an interesting community. Frankly, if this becomes a Leica-only list - and it has not been such in the - what? four? - years I have been a member - I will have little interest in remaining. Because, frankly, if it becomes a Leicaverted list many of the best photographers, and many of the most interesting people, will be gone. So before you push to hard for brand cleansing here, consider that, given her post today, you will be pushing the likes of Tina Manley out the door. And by the way, while I am certainly aware of Brian's rules for the list, I note that most of this hankering to discuss and show nothing but Leica images comes from those who are Leica-come-latelies to the list - and Brian hasn't said a thing. B. D. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of David Young Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:09 PM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: [Leica] RE: Re: No digital comments? B.D. It doesn't matter that we cannot tell the difference between Leica, Nikon, Canon or whatever photos - digi or film. Because of the limitations of the net, such distinctions are impossible. That is not the point. There are countless forums on the net for the discussion of all brands and all types of photography. But this is the LEICA Users Group. Not the Canon User's Group. Nor the Fuji-digi Users Group; the Pentax Users Group or the Nikon Users Group. Most folks are here because they use and enjoy Leicas. If I wanted to see photos taken with a Canon, I'd join the Canon groups! But, you need not take my word. Simply read the message you got when you joined the list. It's Brian's list, and he indicates he created it for the discussion of rangefinder photography, using cameras created by Leica and others, as well as other types of cameras made by Leica. Hence the name. I, and I think most members, would willingly extend that to include all manner of cameras with some Leica connection. SonC's beautiful shots with his digi with Leica lens are OK. Tina's superb shots with her Canon 10d with Leica lens attached are also fine. Other makers cameras rebadged as Leicas are appropriate here, as well. Nobody's knocking digital. Nobody's knocking point & shoots. All manner of cameras and styles, as well as the photos produced by them, should be welcome here, provided they have a Leica connection. But an image shot with a Nikon SLR, using a Nikon lens is not appropriate here, simply because the owner also owns a Leica of some type. He should post his Leica images here and his Nikon images to a Nikon list. You are right. Times are a'changin'. But so is Leica. We have all manner of products from them, including the coming digi-back for the R's. If this list should wither and die, because we didn't discuss other brands, then so be it. There are, and will be, many there lists for those discussions. I, for one, think this list will fare better, if it sticks to its roots. Respectfully, David Young. - ---------------------------------- B.D. wrote: >Of course, David, if people can’t tell the difference when they look at >the photos - and it's been made quite clear that they can't - then what's >the problem? > >Most of the discussion here still focuses (sorry :-) ) on Leicas and >their >use. But the reality is that even the most fanatic Leicaholics - Take >Tina, for example - but don't take her away from us! - are recognizing >that the times they ARE a changin,' and for anyone for whom photography is >anything more than a hobby, its adapt or die. > >If this list were to be strictly limited to discussing Leicas - and if >people were limited to posting Leica images - I have little doubt the list >would wither and eventually die. > >B. D. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of David >Young >Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:58 PM >To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >Subject: [Leica] Re: No digital comments? > > >I agree with Karen. > >As set down by Brian, this is a forum to discuss rangefinder >photography > >and cameras, made by Leica and others, and also other Leica equipment - >be it 'R' cameras, or Leica made/branded digi cams. > >And I happily accept their Leica-lensed cousins, the 'Panshibas'. > >Since members began posting photos taken with Canon, Nikon, Oly and >other fine cameras, this list has degenerated into a general >photography list. The traffic has gone up, but the signal to noise >ratio has gone down. > >Please, all. This is a Leica list. While your photos are often >absolutely marvellous, if they weren't made with at least something >Leica, they don't >belong here. > >Thanks. >---------- > >David Young, | égalité, liberté, >Victoria, CANADA | fraternité et Beaujolais. > >Website at: www.horizon.bc.ca/~dnr > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > >--- >Certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.509 / Virus Database: 306 - Release Date: 8/12/2003 - ---------- David Young, | égalité, liberté, Victoria, CANADA | fraternité et Beaujolais. Website at: www.horizon.bc.ca/~dnr - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html