RE: [Leica] squabbling over digitial vs. film

["bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>]

Frankly, I think that applies to large prints as well, unless - PERHAPS
- - one is shooting on very fine grain film under bench test conditions. I
love my Ms, and have three aspheric lenses. But quite frankly, the only
time I can see the difference between what I get shooting with the Leica
glass and what I get shooting with my Nikon 71-35, 60 macro, 85 1.4, and
180 2.8 is when I shoot with the zoom set below about 24 mm. At that
point the edge/perspective distortion is MUCH better corrected in the M
21 ASPH. Otherwise, it's virtually impossible to tell what's shot with
what. In fact, one of the things I like about the 85 1.4 Nikon lens is
that it's output is virtually indistinguishable from that of the
stunning 75 Summilux - except that it gives me longer reach.

But then I'm generally shooting Tri-X - more often than not at 800 asa -
and always handheld.

B. D.

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Bob Haight
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:33 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: [Leica] squabbling over digitial vs. film


BD, I have always maintained if small standard color
prints are your end goal, they all look the same no
matter what camera sytem you use. I doubt anyone could
tell the difference from one brand to another. If you
look at a lens test, the differences really only
become apparent at much larger magnifications which
are impossible to dicern in a small print. For so many
the investment in high end equipment is really
overkill in terms of quality in the small color print.
Bob Haight
- --- bdcolen <bdcolen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Come off it, Randy. Leica/Shmeica - a Leica digital
> is going to produce
> digital images, which will look like other high-end
> digital images. They
> will NOT look like Leica film images because they
> will not be produced
> with film.
> 
> And are your R series lenses better than the Nikon
> and Canon "pro"
> series lenses? I don't know - but I'll be that under
> normal
> circumstances, using, say 200-400 asa film,
> virtually no one would be
> able to tell the difference given a blind test.;-)
> 
> 
> B. D.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On
> Behalf Of Randy
> Jensen
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:30 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: RE: [Leica] squabbling over digitial vs.
> film
> 
> 
> <<<<A digital R back, Gary, will produce digital
> images. Period. The
> only difference in how they look, compared to other
> digital images
> captured by high end cameras using quality glass,
> will be in your
> imagination. ;-)>>>>
> 
> So a film camera will produce "film" images?
> Period?  The only
> difference in how THEY look, compared to other high
> end cameras will be
> in my imagination?  I'm imagining my R series lenses
> to be better than
> Minolta or Nikon or Canon?  It's all in my
> imagination????  Damn, I
> really wasted some cash.  :)
> 
> R
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On
> Behalf Of bdcolen
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:55 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: RE: [Leica] squabbling over digitial vs.
> film
> 
> 
> A digital R back, Gary, will produce digital images.
> Period. The only
> difference in how they look, compared to other
> digital images captured
> by high end cameras using quality glass, will be in
> your imagination.
> ;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On
> Behalf Of Gary Klein
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:45 PM
> To: Leica-Users-Digest
> Subject: [Leica] squabbling over digitial vs. film
> 
> 
> From my personal experience, there is a different
> look to digital versus
> film.  Film to me has what I call a more historic
> gritty look to it due
> to the grain no matter how fine grained and digital
> has an ultra clean
> look, which is different in subtle manners,
> depending upon the
> chip-camera maker and or Photoshop operator.
> 
> I think that for many digital is faster quicker and
> so forth.  Film is
> for the more deliberate photographer, who wants to
> have the chemical
> influence in his work (i.e. black and white tone
> control)
> 
> Recall that even Ansel Adams predicted the
> development and the growth of
> the digital medium.  I am sure if he were around
> today, he would embrace
> it or at the least try to understand it to see if it
> would work with his
> style and type of photography.
> 
> That doesn't mean anyone should pick on one medium
> or another.  I use
> both mediums at present and I know there are
> instances where I prefer
> film and vice versa.
> 
> It should be interesting when the R series digiback
> becomes
> available....
> 
> gck
> 
> 
> 
> 
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